I intentionally kept both vague b/c for one I don't feel like I have enough authority to go into detail on either, and also because I didn't want it to be too distracting.
That works better anyway, because the mind is going to create (potentially) as or more disturbing fills anyhow. ::shudder:: Poor things. :(
Although it feels so much like he's been shutting himself out almost as much as she has, and I really wonder about that, and what's going through his head through all of this.
GAH. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. This is such a great observation. It's one of the primary mysteries of Clint in this verse. Bob really sets it out beautifully in road to damascus, which is told entirely from his POV. He holds so much back, even from himself. And as she says, he doesn't really speak "in terms of emotion."
In some ways he feels very simple to me-- he loves Natasha, loves her to the point of unhealthy obsession, has the overwhelming desire to save her, even though (and maybe because) he knows he can't save himself. But in other ways, he's a closed book, not available for observation or introspection.
It... bothers me that he leaves her alone for so long. I get (on one level) that maybe for her that's the best thing and how she deals with it, but on the other, I want desperately to see him push in, push her, something. Because she's been left alone *too* much, by too many people, but it could also be that I'm just so very much the opposite I can't understand on a personal level how that could be the better approach and that's coloring my reading of it.
Oh wow. That sounds fascinating. As does your term paper. <3
The movie does so much with the whole self-sacrifice/punishment aspect of courtly love - particularly when she looks at him and tells him that it means nothing to say he'll *win* for her - she wants him to *lose* for her. And so he goes and lets himself get the crap beat out of him to prove to her how he feels. (The movie was out in theatres when I took that class so I had to keep going back to watch it since I didn't have a ff/rewind button or anything. Trying to take notes in a dark room, not my greatest plan.)
As for the last few observations in your comment, that was really just me giving context to Bob's words.
:D Now that I see more clearly how things are starting to fit together (at least this bit) I'm all flaily and need to go back and reread all the things.
Re: Epic response to Epic comment of awesomeness. :D
I intentionally kept both vague b/c for one I don't feel like I have enough authority to go into detail on either, and also because I didn't want it to be too distracting.
That works better anyway, because the mind is going to create (potentially) as or more disturbing fills anyhow. ::shudder:: Poor things. :(
Although it feels so much like he's been shutting himself out almost as much as she has, and I really wonder about that, and what's going through his head through all of this.
GAH. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. This is such a great observation. It's one of the primary mysteries of Clint in this verse. Bob really sets it out beautifully in road to damascus, which is told entirely from his POV. He holds so much back, even from himself. And as she says, he doesn't really speak "in terms of emotion."
In some ways he feels very simple to me-- he loves Natasha, loves her to the point of unhealthy obsession, has the overwhelming desire to save her, even though (and maybe because) he knows he can't save himself. But in other ways, he's a closed book, not available for observation or introspection.
It... bothers me that he leaves her alone for so long. I get (on one level) that maybe for her that's the best thing and how she deals with it, but on the other, I want desperately to see him push in, push her, something. Because she's been left alone *too* much, by too many people, but it could also be that I'm just so very much the opposite I can't understand on a personal level how that could be the better approach and that's coloring my reading of it.
Oh wow. That sounds fascinating. As does your term paper. <3
The movie does so much with the whole self-sacrifice/punishment aspect of courtly love - particularly when she looks at him and tells him that it means nothing to say he'll *win* for her - she wants him to *lose* for her. And so he goes and lets himself get the crap beat out of him to prove to her how he feels. (The movie was out in theatres when I took that class so I had to keep going back to watch it since I didn't have a ff/rewind button or anything. Trying to take notes in a dark room, not my greatest plan.)
As for the last few observations in your comment, that was really just me giving context to Bob's words.
:D Now that I see more clearly how things are starting to fit together (at least this bit) I'm all flaily and need to go back and reread all the things.