Sorting Hat thoughts?

[jacedesbff.livejournal.com]

I recently read a really good Harry Potter-Avengers crossover with a Clint/Natasha focus that got me thinking about how the Avengers (notably our delightful 'ship yacht) would/should be sorted. I've seen it discussed here and there but decided to throw it out as a post of its own. How do you think the Avengers should be sorted?

I'm putting my thoughts under a

Clint - Hufflepuff. Just, loyal, hard-working, doesn't have to be in the thick of things, is just off getting the job done, not concerned with glory or accolades - but is actually the one overseeing the entire picture and having everyone's backs [owning up to bias: I am a dyed-in-the-wool, flag-waving, yellow and black-wearing Hufflepuff. Just sayin'. :-)]

Natasha - Slytherin. Seriously? Ambitious (to be the best in her chosen profession), cunning, doesn't let anyone stand in her way, focused, ruthless, effects change in the world around her. Again I say - seriously? (Every crossover fic I've read, save one, had her in Slytherin. The lone holdout had her in Gryffindor. It made it very hard for me to take the rest of the story seriously. Not that I have issues. ::ahem::)

Tony - Slytherin. I considered Gryffindor or Ravenclaw (either of which an argument could be made for), but ambitious, cunning, doesn't let anything stand in his way, charging his way through life to bend the world to his will. IMHO, dude's a Slytherin.

Bruce - Ravenclaw. I could explain my reasons, but it seems REALLY unnecessary. :-)

Thor - Gryffindor. I mean, come on.

Steve - Gryffindor. Again, every story but one has put him in Gryffindor, and that one put him in Hufflepuff. I copped earlier to being a 'Puff and being very biased in their favor (and towards the idea that we're underrated as a general rule), but I simply can't see Captain American as anything but a Lion.

Fury - Slytherin. There is way too much conniving going on there to quite let him slide over into Gryffindor. But I would certainly respect the argument.

Coulson - Hufflepuff. Doesn't need glory, loyal beyond reason to those he supports and cares for, does all of the work in the background w/o which everything else would fall apart. SUCH a Hufflepuff.

Maria Hill - good question. Thoughts? I would say either Gryffindor or Slytherin, but I'm genuinely not sure. Maybe someone who knows more of her backstory from actual comic canon??

Jane Foster - Ravenclaw. 'Nuf said.

Pepper Potts - Hufflepuff. See above explanations. :-)

Bottom line, though, I do believe that a Hufflepuff and a Slytherin can find true and lasting love together. :D And they shall have sweet Slytherpuff spawn in AU Avengers/HP-crossover-land. *snortlaughs* Of COURSE they will! LOL


Obviously Natasha and Clint are the focus, but I threw in the rest b/c that really good fic motivated me, dangit! :-) Love to hear your thoughts!

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[cybermathwitch.livejournal.com]

Oh, the FEELs that I have about this one!!! (And kadollan and I might actually be writing an HP fusion story so we may have talked extensively about this very point.

So.

Natasha - Slytherin, no question.
Clint - also Slytherin. He's a survivor, and he's sneaky.
Tony - "I have a plan. Attack!" (Does this ring a bell? The Gryffindor motto should really be "Everyone on three!") Total Gryff.
Bruce - Ravenclaw (again, this didn't take any real thought on our parts.)
Pepper - she's never had a problem doing what needs to be done, and while she'd probably make a damn good Slytherin, she's absolutely a Gryffindor.
Jane and Betty are both Ravenclaws, hands down. (Yeah, the scientist thing is kind of a gimme, and I could make a case for Betty being a Gryff, but in the end, I think Ravenclaw is the best fit.)
Darcy (well, ok, my headcanon Darcy) is totally a Slytherin.
Loki would also be a Slytherin.

Now we get to the tricky part of all of this, Steve and Thor.

And I lobby really, really hard to put both of them in Hufflepuff. Thor, because what we see time and again from him is loyalty - particularly to Loki, but also to the friends he makes along the way. Yes, he's strong and brave, but the loyalty thing... that's what I've gotta go with.

And for Steve, again, there's a loyalty aspect, and also a talent aspect. Between the two, I'd have to put him in hufflepuff. Which also kind of fits with his "starting out as an underdog" storyline.

We've done Peggy and Bucky, too - I think Bucky ended up a Gryff and Peggy a 'Puff, but I could have that backwards? Or mistaken, it's been a minute.

[sugar-fey.livejournal.com]

I definitely see Clint as a Hufflepuff. Everyone knows Hufflepuffs are secret badasses. ;)

Fuck Yeah Black Widow made a good case for comics!Natasha being a Gryffindor or a Ravenclaw, because she's actually not that ambitious at all (http://fuckyeahblackwidow.tumblr.com/post/30049902372/ive-actually-answered-this-a-few-times-before#notes). She didn't choose to be a spy, it was forced on her, and she became the best spy in the world through talent and a need to survive.

Movie!Natasha is not the same character as comics!Natasha, so I go back and forth between Slytherin and Ravenclaw for her.

[frea-o.livejournal.com]

I see Maria Hill as a Gryffindor. I know a little bit of her comics background, though it's patchy and I ignore bits and pieces of it at will in my WIP about her and Natasha, but she's got the bravery thing down in spades. After all, she was a Marine who got hired by SHIELD by being a BAMF at Madripoor. Not saying all Marines are Gryffindors, just that "Everyone on three!" really fits with her character. The movie showed she's not really all that cunning, which knocks out Slytherin and Ravenclaw for me. Hufflepuff? Maybe, but there are cutscenes in the film where she's not exactly showing great loyalty (I'm grateful those scenes were cut; I like Maria being a bit of a hard-edged woman with some real reservations about the superabilities/reliance upon superheroes, but the movie cutscenes pushed that likability down a little too much).

She is ambitious (in the comics, she runs SHIELD), so she could theoretically be a Slytherin, I guess, but her lack of cunning still rings Gryffindor for me.

[lar_laughs.livejournal.com]

I like Steve as Gryffindor (being a natural leader of men) but he certainly is a friend to the Hufflepuff! Gryffindor has to be a given for him but he could have very easily been in Hufflepuff.

I love lists like this. I never knew how much I missed "housing" people until we started talking about this in this comm. So wonderful!

Maria is a hard one. She's loyal... to a certain extent. She has ideals but I see her as a person who isn't totally married to them. She does what needs to be done in whatever situation and puts herself out on the front lines. While she's a leader of people, is she really someone who works WITH them? Will she do anything to get the result she wants?

I love your breakdown of Clint and Natasha! I need THIS IN MY LIFE. *sits down to wait patiently* Do you need anything? Cookies? Milk? New wand?

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Totally agreed about Clint as Hufflepuff and Natasha as Slytherin.

Personally, I'd actually stick all the science geeks - Tony and Bruce and Jane - into Ravenclaw, which is actually also were I see Pepper.

I'd put Coulson in Gryffindor, because while I think his bravery is very quiet, I think it runs strong and deep (and I think it says a lot about him that he picked Captain America to fangirl over).

Maria I'd also put in Gryffindor - she's straightforward and ethical in a way that reads as Gryffindor to me.

[ashen_key]

I agree with Clint and Natasha, absolutely.

Jane as Ravenclaw, yesss, she's all about THE SCIENCE.

Fury I see as either Hufflepuff (he is very his people and protective) or Syltherin; Coulson either Hufflepuff or Gryffindor; Hill Gryffindor; Steve I could see either Ravenclaw (why does everyone forget Steve and his books) or Gryffindor, depending on when he was sorted, and same with Tony but with Ravenclaw or Syltherin; agree with Bruce re; Ravenclaw.

Peggy Carter is such a Gryffindor. So much a Gryffindor (hello shooting a man in a car who is headed straight towards her and is going to hit her). Which. I. Oh, damn, suddenly I want to write fic where Peggy is an ex-witch who left the Wizarding World due to being angry with their BS.

Thor I see ultimately as a Hufflepuff, but he could be Gryffindor as well - again, depends on which way the Hat chooses.

All MCU, no comics:

[http://users.livejournal.com/_samalander/]

Steve is a Hufflepuff and I won't hear otherwise. His whole reasoning for taking the serum is that he dislikes bullies- he's brave, sure, but he falls much more on the "fair" side of things. (I may have been known to call him Captain Hufflepuff at times. I regret nothing.)

I also cast Fury as a Dumbledore-style Gryffindor. If you think about how secretive and manipulate Dumbledore was to Harry, all the expectations he piled on, there are a lot of similarities there. Fury isn't necessarily ambitious or cunning, but he certainly is about Right and Wrong and I think the black-and-white mentality is more Gryffindor than Slytherin.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Ooh! Would you link this over on metavengers? It's right up our Diagon alley. ^_^

(and in the meantime I'll think about how I'd sort 'em...)

[hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com]

Clint - Hufflepuff! For all the reasons you mentioned plus we're the closest to the food.

Natasha - Ravenclaw. I think the Sorting Hat measures innate talents and Natasha's deal is that she is extremely smart. Depending on her backstory this was used to make her sneaky and manipulative etc. Her adaptability made her take on lots of Slytherin traits but at her heart she's a bookworm with not that much actual ambition (more competitiveness/ survivor instinct). I have lots of feelings about this.

Pepper Potts - Slytherin. Ambitious and efficient she is the embodiment of Slytherin =/= evil. Muggleborn and pretty professors think she's going to be eaten alive in the house and she proves them all wrong.

Maria Hill - Depends where they take the character. Can see any outcome.

Bruce - Ravenclaw!

Jane - Ravenclaw!

Steve - Gryffindor!

Coulson - Hufflepuff!

Thor - Gryffindor! (Well I would go Hufflepuff, but I'm trying to give the lions some love)

Tony - pre-cave definitely Slytherin. Post-cave I'm not quite sure.

I JUST HAVE LOTS OF FEELS.

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

Oh I did a meme not too long ago where I had to sort various characters into Hogwarts houses. Anyway, my short version would be this:

Natasha - Slytherin
Clint - Hufflepuff
Steve - Hufflepuff
Thor - Gryffindor
Tony - Slytherin
Bruce - Ravenclaw

Here be more detailed thoughts I used in that meme of mine; and I'm bit lazy right now (and also have to leave house really quickly, but I want to share all the thinky thoughts!)

Steve - he is a brave soul, but Huflepuffs are brave as well - they're just not loudly brave as Gryffindors are. He is honest, loyal, hard working and genuine; his heroism is of a quiet and humble kind; all of that belongs to Hufflepuff house. He can show compassion, he dislikes unfairness (think - his answer to the question of he wants to kill Nazis - that's typical, typical Hufflepuff), and most of all, you can rely on him. maybe it helps to compare him with Thor, who is a Goryffindor poster boy. Or Ron Weasley, or Fred and George. Gryffindors have a bit of recklessness in them, and I don't think Steve does. He is a peaceful man, his primary motivation isn't the fight, isn't heroism, it's righting the wrongs. His weapon is a shield. His loyalty is fierce but selective; think of his reactions to Tony - it takes a while until Steve is convinced that Tony is, in fact, a good guy who would lay himself down on a wire. Steve is a tough one, I think, but when he said "I hate bullies I don't care where they're from", that solidified him as a Hufflepuff for me.

Tony - a Slytherin poster child. He is definitely the best that Slytherin house can offer - smart, cunning, picks his fights, ambitious, powerful, classy. He's arrogant, but that arrogance is a mask, beneath is a good man who will do good things. He just doesn't want to be called a hero; and he doesn't want it because he doesn't believe he is one. Oh, he does like flash and glitter, but that's different than being a hero. That's hollow stuff, beneath his classy, fine, playboy bravado is a lonely man with daddy issues who feels so very alone. I heart Tony because I can relate *points to icon* We Slytherin people are tough on the outside, and very soft on the inside. I heart how he reacted to Bruce - he was the only one to approach poor man and face him, mostly because Tony knows how it feels to live with a monster inside you, only Tony is Iron Man's monster. Slytherin loyalty is selective, but once it's given, it's forever, no matter what. When everyone thought they'll never see bruce again, Tony kept asking, in the middle of a battle, "Is Banner here?"

Clint - could make the sorting hat take a minute or two to ponder where to put him - maybe. Someone might say that he's a Gryffindor because he doesn't even bat an eye during the entire fight in Manhattan. That guy is fearless in action, but he lacks the loud, I'm - a - star mentality of a Gryffindor. he rather wouldn't be seen; he prefers being up there, observing, essentially, doing his work. So, Hufflepuff. Is Clint nice? I think he is, once he gets to know people; he is definitely less approachable than Ryan or Carson, but I can imagine three of them getting along rather well. I think he's the example of the toughest that Hufflepuff house can offer; I also see him as genuine and honest, and someone you can rely on, but his loyalty isn't free. It has to be earned, and you can see that aspect nicely hinted at in his interactions with Natasha. You just have to wonder what happened between them to make their bond so solid - I love that scene when he wakes up, and Natasha is there (obviously!), and whatever they have, it's incredibly solid. Her devotion to him is strong and even painful at times, his loyalty to her is steady and, I think, endless, and it's amazing how he recognizes her during their fight even while he was under Loki's control. (I just heart them! And I better stop blabbing about them, because this might turn into a shipper manifesto).

[lar_laughs.livejournal.com]

For some reason, this came to my mind on my daily trip in to work and I talked myself in to Steve being a Hufflepuff.

Let me explain how I got there.

Gryffindor values courage, bravery, nerve and chivalry. Its mascot is the lion, and its colours are scarlet and gold. The Gryffindor motto is "Their daring, nerve and chivalry set Gryffindors apart". (wikipedia)

Hufflepuff values hard work, patience, justice, and loyalty. The house mascot is the badger, and canary yellow and black are its colours. The Hufflepuff motto is "Those patient Hufflepuffs are true and unafraid of toil". (wikipedia)

Yes, Steve is brave and has courage like no one else but those aren't what he's all about. Those are what people see. I think his heart is about justice (for everyone, mind you) and loyalty (to his country and to his friends). He works well with others and nows how to bring out the best of his entire team. He's concerned about civilians during a fight (did anyone see anyone else (other than Clint) worried about civilians?).

Steve is not about "this is the way we're doing it, team." He's very much about "how will we all work together? and what is best for everyone?"

I think that are all my points.