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you were on the outside stay on the outside

perspective: a science in optics. a technique of depicting volumes and spatial relationships on a flat surface. the state of one's ideas, the facts known to one, etc., in having a meaningful interrelationship. a way of regarding situations, facts, etc, and judging their relative importance.

this is your All the Things Friday post.

so technically the SHIELD pool on the are they/aren't they won the poll but that may be a subject matter a bit too narrow. i'm widening it to mean Third Person POV because REASONS. it's easy to dissect and study, to break down seemingly insignificant components to their basest of parts with a detachment. the outside view of what is gives scope and understanding to the overall picture, broad strokes that set the canvas. but, every once in a while, you pick up on a tiny little detail that is of the utmost substance. be it gesture, a meaningful look, a pregnant pause, degrees of separation or the rhythms of movement. they all become the basis of supposition. we form a hypothesis. we speak in conjecture. we dissect the minutia. we assume. we invest. it's a feeling we're all familiar with and you're totally lying if you claim to have never formed an opinion on things. everyone does. it's part of our nature. we like to discuss things that fascinate and capture us.

it gets much more involved when we find like minded people who hold the same beliefs that we do. it evolves into a fever pitch of imagination where we surmise and speculate. often times it devolves into a betting pool just so the victor can gloat in their correctness. this is what i want from you: i want you to deduce, theorise, posit, judge, infer, presume and ascertain various and sundry scenarios of how others view the super sexy spies and their relationship. i want coulson's thought process of forming this team and why he thought this would work. i want nick fury storming around the helicarrier yelling, 'THIS IS WHY WE HAVE FRAT REGS!'. i want maria hill split on odds and giving herself a fifty/fifty chance of winning the pot. i want galaga guy betting on clint to break first. i want thor admiring comrades in arms. i want steve filing everyone out of the room so they can 'talk' about what happened in the field. i want bruce begrudging their intimacy because he misses betty so much. i want tony seeking advice on 'how do you make her NOT mad at you?'. i want erik playing the should be wisened relationship expert, emphasis on the 'should be'. i want pepper scheduling an enforced decontamination scenario because obviously an intervention needs to take place. i want darcy throwing up her hands in frustration and yelling, 'OMG YOU LOVE EACH OTHER! STOP BEING STUPID AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE CAKE NOW?'

in short bless this comm with all your 3rd Person POVs, please? GO FORTH. ASK FOR HELP COMPLETING YOUR THIRD PERSON PERSPECTIVE. WRITE. DISCUSS. PROMPT. REC. BE AWESOME!

your business dress so business like by

gelbes_gilatier
rated: t; five takes on natasha making clint grin at the end of the movie

the observable universe by sarea okelani
rated: gen; jane foster is a scientist, a scientist who looks up and out into the stars and gazes upon the most nebulous and mesmerising formations of matter and oh hey lookit, two idiots she works with are being idiots so she decides to FIX things.

byla ne byla (it was, it wasn't) by yeomanrand
rated: teen and up; pepper sees

best things happen while you're dancing by queenriley
rated: not rated; tony orchestrates some alone time after a mission

ch 15 of history's mistakes by

bob5fic
rated: m/r/nc17/adults only!; university AU; bobbi and phil have a conversation; (you can read this chapter out of context for express 3rd person POV reasons and it works fine, but seriously read the whole thing because bob is a genius.)

omg this comm's tags LOVE friday...

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I've got a Bruce/Natasha fic that I started in July, that's sort of been temporarily abandoned (stupid school and work...), but I'm hoping to get back to. It's about this kind of thing, and it's coming, promise. I might post a snippet for Unfinished Wednesdays (which will also force me to finish the beta on it). :)

Hmmm, re: SHIELD on their relationships...I don't see Clint and Natasha as falling underneath fraternization regulations. She's a spy, Clint is more like SWAT; two completely different sets of jobs and teams and missions that might, sometimes, overlap. They aren't usually in each other's chain of command.

And for the Avengers, I didn't see any UST between Nat and Clint at all, so I figure most of their relationship, they are already with the kissing and stable. Even if, maybe, Natasha was still putting on the 'BFFS with benefits' label on it.

...yeah, I know, I'm boring and don't have source of FORBIDDEN!!!! angst in my headcanon <.<

That said, I suspect SHIELD were concerned, but a) Clint and Natasha's history, and b) dating field agents - whatever the stripe of them - carries the risk of heartbreak and stress.

No idea on the Avengers perspectives (although I can see Natasha and Clint not announcing anything, and thus, say, Tony running his mouth when Natasha's not around and Clint - either mentally or not - going 'shut up, you are talking about my wife/partner, shut up') which. I. Slightly need to really work out, given so much of my de-aged Natasha fic involves other people's perspectives, and some of that is on Clint/Natasha.

*pokes the characters, cautiously*

Drabbles for this Friday may or may not be forthcoming, depends if I wake up. BUT MAYBE. :D

...or, hell, maybe I'll work on the 'Natasha and Bobbi talk' fic that I have floating around. Missus and the ex both being ambitious, awesome women with their own careers and lives FTW.

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yeah, SHIELD seems fast and loose with everything, i just like imagining sam jackson loosing it as nick fury and swearing, lol.

dude, i love this topic. i love 3rd-party POVs. there's so much you can say about a character with an outside narrator that you can't get away with in a contained perspective. plus it's really beautiful sometimes jus t to be able to take a step back. not to mention that the said 3rd-person narrator kind of becomes an accidental shipper in the process, which is always delightful.

the more the merrier. <3

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Basically this!!! (I am too tired to think, type or come up with something meaningful).

(you are so not alone, my dear. <3)

!!! This week really did a number on me. And I feel I'm supposed to say meaningful stuff here. I am mostly thinking about Steve observing Clint and Natasha and figuring out stuff about them, because he's an artist and views the world differently and he'd notice things others wouldn't.

.... Like I don't have too many ideas as it is.

Have you read

alphaflyer's latest? i just did and she does a great job with steve's POV.

No, haven't. Must take a look at it!

Where? Where? *secretly a pigeon*

It's here on the comm, she posted it at the beginning of this week. And it really is just that, Steve observing and it is all kinds of awesome, as is she :)

Oooh, that one! I didn't realize that was alphaflyer. It was so good.

I totally agree with you, it was great. Very understated, yet so descriptive. And Steve was just adorable in it :)

emmm ... thanks guys!!! (blushes furiously)

For those looking for it, it's on AO3 at http://archiveofourown.org/works/574373.

Actually, having peeked at who won the poll I tossed off a little piece called "The Poll" last night and over lunch, and strummed my fingers looking for the "Friday" post so I could post it. And then I went out of e-mail range only to discover I left the final version on my work computer which requires major contortions to get into from home. But -- it seems to be OBE anyway (doesn't quite fit Sunny's parameters ...) so I'll leave it for another day ... it'll be an LJ exclusive. :-)

what? perametres? WHERE? POST EEEEEEEET!!! y'know, only if you want...

I did ... :-)

awww... ;-)

speechless. I. am.

S'all true, yes, Master Yoda :D

I'd like to see one fic where they're not encouraged per se, but it's not against frat regulations for two agents to hook up. There was a line in Covert Affairs that was something like "In fact the CIA highly encourages dating with in the agency" which I can understand because then it's not a cover identity to keep with your significant other ect.

So a humorous fic where they don't need to hide anything for fear of being discovered (but maybe hide it just because they are private people)

There was a line in Covert Affairs that was something like "In fact the CIA highly encourages dating with in the agency" which I can understand because then it's not a cover identity to keep with your significant other ect.

dude, that makes a crazy amount of sense.

I don't even see the need for it to be humour, really. Just, you know, generally not-angsty on that topic ;-)

YES PLEASE. Because the forbidden relationship trope on various shows and stuff I watched or read has become so so SO tiring. Which is why I lean toward Fury being all "You're together? She's knocked up? Oh I am NOT SURPRISED" and then nothing bad happens to anyone kind of plots.

SO TIRING.

I mean, I could also see if Clint and Nat were on the same team regularly, or in each other's chain of command, that'd be different, depending on the rules. But generally, I figure...beyond friendship-concern from various people, I don't think SHIELD cares if Barton and Romanoff are shagging or shacked up together.

(Except for the rumour mill, but I love me the SHIELD rumour mill)

I saw that. And I love Covert Affairs, although I need to catch up. That's my personal headcanon as well, though I'm not above throwing in mysterious frat regs in a fic for humor or to increase suspense.

I want recs please!!!!!!!!

Topic is awesome, recs are awesome! I wish I didn't need to head out the door.

3rd-person point of view is wonderful because it can reveal things that Clint and Natasha don't know themselves. It's also really fun. I'm split between writing a fic where Natasha throws Clint out of her room naked (a la soap opera) and everyone immediately takes her side despite not knowing what's going on, much to Clint's chagrin. Or writing a traditional betting pool fic from a redshirt agent who desperately wants to know what's going on, only to find both Natasha and Clint rigging the betting.

Those ideas sound great, especially the first one ;)

OK so I left a comment in reply to the thread starting from Bee's comment, and it was "marked as spam". Well, that sucks. Anyway there were a number of people saying some very nice things about a story I posted here on Monday, called "The Skies Over Manhattan" which does the "third party POV on C/N" thing (among other things). If you want to have a look at it, it's on AO3 and FFN under my user name; I won't give the link again 'coz I think maybe that's why the other comment got labelled as spam. (LJ discourages self-promotion!!! shocking!!!) ;-)

And one more thing (starting to FEEL like spam ...)

As someone who knows something about the inner workings of government, the only place where there are real fraternization rules is the military, and then on mission/in the field. At least in the Canadian military I know a number of serving officers who are married to others; as long as they're not in each other's chain of command, no one cares.

In other parts of government, such as the diplomatic service, again they take care to make sure you don't have to report to your Significant Other. The diplomatic service ADORES it when officers are married, because then they only have to pay one set of costs when people relocate around the planet! :-)

That's about how I saw SHIELD working, too - and with SHIELD, yay, they've already got the spouse with a security clearance. LESS PAPERWORK, WHOO! And so on.

some pretty for your viewing pleasure

GHU

Sorry, I mean GUH!

The pretty.... (sigh)

Loved the recs! And here's one more, Observant by eiluned, link will take you to AO3.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/350951

I remember that line from Covert Affairs as well - and yeah, that has always made sense to me. Among other things: it stops their agents from being honeytrapped if they already have someone who is also in the know; it makes for a far stronger relationship which has strong benefits for the psychological wellbeing of the agent, that they don't have to continually lie to their partner and on a really bad mission they can actually go home to someone who understands at least a little; much less hassle if an agent accidentally lets something slip, because again, it's to someone already in the know; on a resources angle, the partner's already had the background check done.

It's always been my head!canon that SHIELD doesn't have frat regs at all, not only for all the reasons I just gave, but because SHIELD doesn't just recruit the best of the best, but the best of the best of the best. You don't even get recruited in the first place unless you are already A) smart enough to know that getting involved with work colleagues is a bad idea for you or B) professional enough not to let it affect your job performance, whether the relationship is going well or sinking.

So yeah, in my H!C, no one really cares if Clint and Natasha are fucking each other blind, except for gambling purposes - or, y'know, the surveillance team runs a deep underground black market porn ring featuring them in 'action'.
(and Clint and Natasha have sex while undercover/in the field whenever reasonably possible because they know exactly how hot and bothered it makes the surveillance nerds, and they secretly like putting on a show... OH CRAP! ZOMBIE PLOTBUNNY! RUUUUNNN!!!!)

(oh, and on another note: the subject line's from 'How' by Lisa Loeb, right? I love that song!)

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