ATTF: Thor 2 Discussion Post

[sugar-fey.livejournal.com]

Happy Friday, greatest bar! Something a little off topic for today, but still very relevant to our interests. ;)

We are going to talk about Thor: The Dark World! What you liked, what you didn't, where you think Clint and Natasha might have been during all this, now is your chance to discuss it with your fellow bar patrons!

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Comments

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

*raises both hands*

I appreciated Loki as a well played bad guy. I fully didn't expect I'd be enjoying his parts, but I was.

We can also raise a toast to wonderfulness of Miss Darcy Lewis. :D

[frea-o.livejournal.com]

Yeah, if you're not trying to woobify him or tell me he's a good dude (he's really not, he killed thousands in the Avengers), then I can enjoy him. I also enjoy his connection to Thor. I mean, after all, they're brothers and have been brothers for at least a millennium.

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

What I enjoy about Loki is that he's an ambiguous character - you know or should know how problematic he is and you don't hate him (I never hated him). He is somewhat like characters from Godfather movies; you're aware that they're not good men but yous till appreciate them and the whole thing. Also, if you're looking at it from Thor's perspective? That's still his brother, Thor wants to trust him, he still loves him, and he knows he can't trust him. So I enjoyed those moments a lot and how they made it very clear - you can like Loki but you can't trust him, and heck, he can even do some very good things. Just, well done movie.

[happilydancing.livejournal.com]

I love this analysis.

[alphaflyer.livejournal.com]

Yes -- he's a good villain. The most effective villains are the charismatic ones -- personal charm is a distinguishing mark of many sociopaths (or is it psychopaths? I always get those mixed up). I mean, thuggery and terror only gets you so far up the spoils-and-power ladder...

So, yeah, I can admire his height and his wit and his hair, evem feel a twinge of sadness at the lost-prince back story, but that doesn't grant him any form of amnesty from me whatsoever ... even as I hope he'll come back in another movie, precisely because he gives Great Story.

[frea-o.livejournal.com]

I think part of the problem for me is that I always see his fandom telling me he's just poor widdle Woki and and he should be pitied because his dad was so mean to him. And it makes me roll my eyes because thousands (maybe even millions!) of people with less than awesome parents didn't go try to take over planets and murder thousands. So, yeah. But yeah, in this movie, away from his fandom, I could enjoy him for the charismatic, not-helping-at-all-dammit-Loki person because as you said, Great Story.

That said, I do think Odin is definitely a villain, too. Not that it excuses Loki's actions, but Odin is villainous.

[alphaflyer.livejournal.com]

Agree 100%, with everything you say.

Re Odin -- he is the "benign, righteous tyrant" who screws things up simply because he is so used to getting his own way, he's forgotten that what he has is a perspective and that there may be others. His intentions may be prima facie good, but his execution sucks.