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Clint, Natasha and Agents of SHIELD

Hello lovely comm! I've been mulling this topic over for a few weeks now, and decided that on this wonderful long holiday weekend I would share my Clint/Natasha thinky-thoughts as they pertain to Marvel's Agents of SHIELD. Beware of spoilers for all episodes, including the most recent. I'm hoping to spur some discussion, some speculation... maybe inspire some fic... *looks hopeful*

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1) I don't have any desire whatsoever to engage in or instigate character-bashing, but I'm assuming that I'm not the only person on this comm who groaned - loudly - at the comparison between Ward's espionage skills and Natasha's. :D

2) As of the episode The Hub, we know that Coulson is a Level 8 agent, Ward and May are Level 7, and (I think) Fitz and Simmons are Level 5. So, what level are Clint and Natasha? High enough to have gotten the memo that Coulson is alive? Maria says the Avengers don't know, that "they're not level 7" (Like that could stop Tony...) but is she just referring to the Big Four?

3) Speaking of the Hub (which looked to me like a giant mall for SHIELD agents) one has to assume that there's all kinds of sub-Level 7 agents walking around there at any given time, any who could have seen Coulson, which has to mean he's not such a big secret after all. I would <3 fic about Clint and Natasha at the Hub, running into an old friend, or maybe just hearing about what happened to Sitwell ;)

4) "Barton, Romanoff... they never have an extraction plan."
"They know that going in."

I squealed. I'll admit it.

5) In the most recent episode, Repairs, we learn about a SHIELD Academy, and how pranks were played on freshmen/rookies. Have Clint and Natasha been to the Academy? Were they ever considered rookies by other agents (with predictable/hysterical/disastrous results) or someone trying to give them the "full experience?"

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I'm going to say that the 'guess' that Natasha is Skye's mother is not something I believe.

For starters, not sure how old they are making Natasha and in the episode that Phil got the information there were images of a woman who appeared to be dead in the documents May was holding.

I get this image in my head of Clint saying something to the effect of "Hey Nat, what's an extraction plan?"
"Hell if I know," Nat answering with a smirk.

I am pleased they weren't using May as a Natasha stand in, that was my fear at first.

I know it's not Clint/Nat related but anyone else heartbroken when we got confirmation she not only slept with Ward at teh end of 'The Well' but that she's been continuing to sleep with him?

I am all for May having independent sexuality, but hearing Coulson explain what really happened to earn her the name, Calvary, he sounded almost as if he were going to cry and, at least I feel, there is a damn deep connection between the two.

I DO like the suggestion that May and Natasha have sparred before. I don't think Natasha was her handler, she doesn't seem like the person they would hand such an assignment to. That is NOTHING against Natasha, it's more she's in the field so much, as a spy, it wouldn't be practical unless they were training May for that and it isn't the impression I got.

Do people think Nat and Clint know Phil is alive? They are level 7, but they are Avengers.

I believe Phil tries to keep tabs on his 'babies' if he's able but is probably damn worried about them both.

Edited 2013-11-30 02:24 (UTC)

Oooh, now I really want to watch this ep!! How did she earn the nickname??

It's actually rather complicated and true reason is pretty sad

though what others tell first as the Academy rumors are rather funny

I am all for May having independent sexuality, but hearing Coulson explain what really happened to earn her the name, Calvary, he sounded almost as if he were going to cry and, at least I feel, there is a damn deep connection between the two.

Yeah, they're Mom and Dad :\

yeah, that's how I've always seen him

my best friend comes to watch the eps with myself and my husband on Wednesday evenings and the reaction us both had to May and Ward was...

interesting

it was quiet but we were both, 'um, wait what?!?'

Also, why wasn't May wearing a bra?

I'm not really feeling May and Ward either (of course, all I have seen so far is the end of the Asgardian ep), but I think its interesting for the time being. But she and Coulson are better. ;)

I kind of get where they're going, to a point, but yeah, as a long-term thing I'm not seeing it.

I WAS at least pleased with how it didn't seem to interfere with their jobs.

:) I just think there's a connection there that Coulson wouldn't have with many people.

Also, why wasn't May wearing a bra?

I suppose that could be answering the question of what does Natasha and Maria wear under their battle suits...

Nothing.

No wonder Happy was so distracted in Iron Man 2.

I get this image in my head of Clint saying something to the effect of "Hey Nat, what's an extraction plan?"
"Hell if I know," Nat answering with a smirk.

AhhHHHHH I can totally see that happening! :D

And since it's Clint he would ask during the most inopportune moment, like when they were surrounded by the bad guys or running away from the building that's on fire with everyone chasing after them, lol.

Yep, ala "just like Budapest."

Yes! lol, that is totally what I pictured

Those two seem like they would carry on the weirdest conversations while under fire.

it would be weird for anyone else, but normal for them (like Steve and Bucky before they zipline onto the train "is this payback for Cony Island?")

Coulson's probably used to hearing them chit-chat over gunfire ^-^

Edited 2013-11-30 04:47 (UTC)

yes, lol

"Nat, did you drink my coffee?" Clint asked.
Nat ducks a bullet, "be more specific to which coffee you're referring to."

We really don't know how old MCU Natasha is although it could go either way. From her looks and most things, it would be assumed that she would be Scarlett's physical age but...

She reads and speaks Latin, a "dead language".She knows seemingly everything which would make her either a savant similar to Tony who can pick up stuff easily OR she's has decades to do it.

She also used the term "swoon" which could have been for Steve's benefit because she knew he would know it OR she knew it because she came from that time as well and he was bringing it out in her. There was something else that made me wonder but I can't remember what it was now.

And then you have her being BFFS/maybe more with Steve in the new movie and bringing in Winter Soldier which makes me wonder how much of the original plotline they will be doing...

I need to watch that episode again and freeze frame on the documents because I saw none of this.

I think I was the only one happy at May/Ward.
Yes, I totally shipped May/Coulson but May/Ward was so unexpected and then, the whole older woman getting younger man was pretty cool...definitely seems to add canon to the fanon that anything goes at SHIELD...

Then, there was a selfish wish fulfillment...if May and Ward can do this without being caught by Phil and/or Phil just not caring, then that means my fic which has two characters in a similar relationship under his nose isn't so far-fetched...and I had worried that it was...

I doubt there are any feelings involved with Ward and May. This is just sexual/tension release.

Hearing him tell the story actually made me start shipping them platonically as more like BFFs/siblings than actual lovers although I'm sure they have in the past.

Since they are level 7, that's what I assumed unless...that's why Natasha, Clint and Steve keep getting sent out into the field? To keep them from finding out about Phil?

I did notice that Phil said he knew Thor in present tense as though he could simply call him up...which was a bluff but was the whole thing a bluff or are they allowed to know at this point?

Yeah, I'm guessing we'll need to see what they reveal of Natasha's backstory for the MCU in Winter Soldier, because right now I don't know. I HAD liked the thought of her not having any sort of help, even if it was just faster healing/slow aging, I liked her and Clint being the humans on the team.

As for May/Ward, you're not the only one, I've seen several people very happy with it, me personally I was just disappointed.

I DID like how it was handled (and this is far from the first cannon ship that's gone against a ship I prefer so not angry about it, just bummed).

But yes, I liked they were discreet, probably more to keep it from affecting the team than protocols and they were both completely on top of their reactions/actions during said ep, that pleased me a lot.

I had sort of hoped May and Coulson would sort of heal each other, though I agree that there is little emotional involvement with May/Ward, which is something else that shows how two adults can be adults and it not getting soap opera like.

I could have mis-seen the documents but I could have sworn there were pictures of a dead woman.

I don't know if Steve would be considered level 7. I think that's what we're going to get answers for too in Winter Soldier since Steve wasn't apart of SHIELD until recently.

I would like to know if Fitz Simmons know that others believed Coulson was dead, their clearance makes me believe they just knew they were being assigned to him, but again, that's jut a guess.

For Thor I was under the impression that if he does know now, it's post Thor 2 since he'd not been back on Earth at all. Unless he had Hemdal(sp!) take a look one of the nights he checked on Jane.

(hugs)

I know you've had a rough time these past few months. I happened to see this old comment and I wondered if you had been able to keep up with the show and if you had, what you thought.

(hugs)

I do still watch and keep up (I'll see tonight's in an hour when it goes to itunes but I've seen a lot of the spoilers on tumblr) and over all, I feel sort of I want to say used but that's not the word.

I feel like all the waiting and build up of the series is giving way to these slam in your face moments to bring in viewers.

And I'm so pissed at Coulson right now it's not even funny.

Have you caught up? I don't want to like hit you with spoilers :)

and things have been calming down in my life so no worries there :)

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