I am very fond of Thor! He's not stupid, just very straight-forward, and I feel that fandom doesn't do enough with him, which...partly contributes to my ignoring him, I admit. (Although if fandom did more things like The Stories That Stay With You, I'd be very happy - there does need to be more team + Thor fic, particularly of the kind where you can see him interacting with Midgardian culture and having it reflect back at him, and make him think about things differently.

I suppose it's the whole cultural implications - people who pick up other cultures, adopt parts from them as it were, can be viewed with suspicion or discomfort or 'yes, alright, shut up about it now' on their return and that's without such a physical representation of adopting that culture, and a mortal culture at that....

Ohhhhhhhhhh, I totally didn't follow my thoughts through enough, because I'm staring at this and going *_________* yessssssssss a lot. I didn't think about that aspect at all, but you're absolutely right. And Thor is such a believer, and this'd both be something that he can't not think about re: his attitude and beliefs, and also the 'new convert' aspect, too.

You are going to be terrible re: thinking up ideas and angles for fics, I can tell <3

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I'm fond of him, I just find myself more interested in the others. I'm all 'Clint and Natasha are the two humans on the team and they're wow' and then 'and Tony, there are so many good Tony fics' and 'hey, Steve, poor guy, transplanted into the future' and 'Bruce being science bros with Tony, so fun!' but then 'what about Betty? Hey, and whilst we're talking about the ladies, what about Peggy and Maria and Jane and Darcy and...' and then it's 'whoops, hi Thor.' Poor Thor. I did read a post on why Thor is not an idiot that has gone some way to making me more interested, but I still seem to like him as, well, a foil for the other characters rather than being interested in him on his own merits. I might get over it *grins*.

*thinky thinky* Thor is at it's most basic an exchange student who's had a life changing trip, but then he's a god who's been a mortal and has this evidence of an aspect of mortality that must then be within all Asgardians... What you said about 'new convert' and this may because the 'Red Room as a cult' is still playing in my mind, but as we thinking here that the Asgardians see Thor as converted to another religion almost when he's a god of their religion? No offence to religion, but like Jesus deciding to be a Buddhist monk? Only worse because instead of a loud, orange robe he has a walking, talking, impossible to ignore LIONESS prowling alongside him... Okay, brain may have gone off the rails here...

Mwahahaha! Ahem.

BETTY. There needs to be more Betty in this fandom, I swear. She'd be so good for Bruce, for...various reasons which I shouldn't get into now because I should be asleep (stupid timezones)

I am interested in thinky!Thor. Sadly, there is...so very little of him *pats him*

I'm still poking at Asgard and religion - because they themselves tend to see themselves as more viewed as gods rather than actually gods (going by first movie - by Avengers, Loki's not exactly on Planet Logical Thinking any more, although he knows how the mortals have treated him in the past, so he knows how they should view him.) So I think it's more....it's like the Prince Has Gone Native rather than anything else, I think (because, let's face it, Asgard is imperialistic liek whoa). They have been raised - all of them, Thor and Sif and Loki and the Warriors Three and everyone in Asgard - to believe that they are better than humans. No question about it, they just are. And then Thor comes back all thoughtful and going "no, we're not" - throw in him now having a human-daemon and...yeah, things are going to get complicated.

I read two brilliant Betty fics recently and now I want more Betty! More Peggy! More Maria and Darcy and all the ladies! Actually, I just joined marvelousladies so hopefully there will be wonderful ladies in my future :)

Yeah, I'm more interested in the cultural than the religious. Steve says, 'there's only one god, m'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that' or something along those lines. Asgardians may feature in Midgardian myth and legend, but I think it is a case of more myth and legend than religion. Kind of 'god' in the way one religion views a god from another, god with a little 'g' - that is not our God with a big 'G', it is a cute story you are telling yourselves, you backwards people.

to believe that they are better than humans Because they have advanced science - sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic, beyond our tiny human brains' understanding type stuff. Humans are primitive and children. Now, in a verse where Migardians have daemons...does having half of yourself, having your soul (?) in the form of an animal scream primitive or what? Bestial. Oh, okay, there's the thing with Loki and a horse? Myths and comics, whatever, let's just look at the films. It's like us looking at cave paintings and how people used to view animals, the importance of them, and now we're all, 'you want cows, we have fields full' and 'oh, what, no, we made those go extinct'. What would Asgardians think of daemons I wonder?

(Okay, I have guilt, go sleep :P )

Joined! :D I'll have to start writing more. Oh, Betty, you lovely fierce woman.

Well, Steve's obviously Christian, too, so I don't think his statement reveals much beyond his own personal faith. I think the Asgardians inspired the Norse religion (back when it was a religion, not a mythos) but they weren't around much, and tales got far more outlandish while the Asgardians went 'lol' a lot (because they are patronizing, imperialistic dicks *coughs*)

I think the humans having animals for souls absolutely marks them as lesser in the Asgardian view, all "closer to nature" while the Asgardians have that glittery techno-magical city. And also, the humans...well, the Asgardians are all together, all formed-as-one-being, while the humans are split and can argue and disagree and be vulnerable-

:D it's going to be fun.

(Timezones! I'm in Australia, so timezones are eviiiil)