12 June 2015 @ 12:43 pm
ATTF: Legacy and Endings  
Hello, bar!

How is it Friday again already?? (Not that I'm complaining.)

Anyway, one of the things that interested me most in AoU was the central motif of legacy and endings. One way that played in was the repeated use of statues and architecture, but there were a lot of good lines about it too. Ultron talks about how "people create children to supplant them, to help them end." Tony, of course, talks about his Wanda-induced vision of the dead Avengers as his legacy, and how much that scares him, how much he wants to avoid that becoming reality.

We see Clint and Natasha grappling with this idea too. It's probably most obvious in Natasha's conversations with Bruce--initially, in her moment of weakness, she sees leaving the fight as the best possible course of action, because she sees herself as nothing more than what Red Room made her, and therefore as incapable of contributing anything good. But later she comes back to her senses, when Bruce advocates running away again. He tells her "you've done plenty," but she knows now that her job isn't finished. In fact, it's a long way from being finished, because she makes the decision to move forward by taking on the training of the new Avengers. I think I'm probably more positive about her AoU arc as a whole than most, but I particularly loved this decision--to see Natasha go from feeling that she's nothing more than Red Room's pawn to deciding that she can choose her own legacy and she wants it to be one of being a hero and mentoring future heroes. I think that's huge and wonderful for her.

Finally, we also see Clint coming to terms with what it means to do enough and go home, although this plays out in less direct terms than some of the other arcs. He takes ownership of his role in the team from the beginning, and the fact that it may require sacrifice on his part. He promises Laura that he'll come home, and for a moment it looks as though he might be considering retirement when he talks about not doing any more projects on the house. But by the end of the movie, I think it's pretty clear that he's realized the team and the world still need him.

So, bar, my question to you this week is what do YOU think about our favorite assassins and their endings/legacies? I know I talked a lot about AoU in this post, but I'd love to hear different versions you imagine, AoU-compliant or otherwise! This post is for discussion, comment fic, recs, or anything else to do with the theme. I can't wait to hear your thoughts!

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[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on June 12th, 2015 07:29 pm (UTC)
I feel like both of them are dedicated to being Avengers. Natasha can obviously throw herself in more whole-heartedly because Clint does have a family he is raising. I do still feel like both of them are conflicted to a degree (as most people are). Natasha has her work life, but may not be completely resolved in her personal life. Clint is going back and forth between this very dangerous job and raising small children.

I do like how Nathaniel Pietro is the legacy of 3 Avengers :)
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[identity profile] miss-porcupine.livejournal.com on June 13th, 2015 02:41 am (UTC)
Clint's sees his legacy as his children and he hopes to be around to watch them grown and flourish. He isn't reckless, but he's not risk-averse, either, and he operates on the principle that if he doesn't get to live to see his grandchildren, it will be for a good reason and he won't die in vain. He wants to leave the world a better place for his kids and that's why he's an Avenger and why he'll remain an Avenger until he's no longer capable. Which, he will admit, is probably only a few more years because he's no young'un. But he'll make the best of those years.

What his legacy might actually be is that (a) you don't have to be a superhero to be a hero. He's a guy with a bow and arrow, no powers, no genius, nothing but his heart and his determination and that's enough. And (b) that you don't have to sacrifice everything for the job. He has been trying to make Natasha believe that for years, but he'd be happy if Steve and -- especially -- Wanda learn that lesson, too. Clint loves Natasha, full stop, but he's wary of Wanda using her as a role model. It would be so easy for Wanda to pattern herself after Natasha -- who doesn't want to be Natasha? -- but they're different women in important ways and he thinks Natasha wants more for Wanda, too.

I've already ficced about Natasha's choices at length (http://archiveofourown.org/works/3986866), so I'll just say that she wants her legacy to be an Avenger because she's had plenty of being feared and considers it professionally useful, but personally hollow. And the last several years have shown her that the personal matters more than she'd ever realized.
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[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on June 13th, 2015 11:53 am (UTC)
For Clint in his latest MCU incarnation, the children are an obvious legacy. But it's also the more intangible achievement that his life is proof that you can rise above what fate handed you -- in his case, an alcoholic, abusive father and a train wreck of a childhood. He has freed himself of that baggage both with his family and the contributions he has made towards ridding the world of monsters (like his father, and bigger) both as a SHIELD agent and an Avenger.

Natasha, in the MCU, is a bit more complicated. Her skills (mostly because how she acquired them) have been a burden to her, both psychologically and emotionally. But after AoU she seems to be headed towards accepting that they can also function as a blessing, in that she is able to use them to do Good. So now, she seems ready to pass them on -- in a much better manner than that employed by the Red Room, as a teacher. Her victory is making peace with who she is, and her legacy will be her students.

And neither of them is ready for an ending.

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[identity profile] crazy4orcas.livejournal.com on June 15th, 2015 01:42 pm (UTC)
I know I'm super late to the party!

I just wanted to share that I really like the idea that somewhere along the way Natasha was able to pull a couple/a few girls out of the Red Room program and place them with families. And they are also a part of her legacy along with her new Avenger students.
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[identity profile] metanewsmods.livejournal.com on June 17th, 2015 09:21 pm (UTC)
Hello! May we link this on metanews? We post on LJ/DW and tumblr.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on June 17th, 2015 10:15 pm (UTC)
Sure, that would be awesome!