10 November 2017 @ 08:32 am
ATTF: Great Expectations! (Warning: A bit of a potential spoilerfest)  
clears throat Hello, dearest Bar! So, I was supposed to do this LAST week, but then I forgot life happened. But I'm here now!!!


Today's topic: What do you think is going to happen to our assassinly duo in Avengers 3 and 4? Good things? Bad things? Bit of both?

Of course, to answer that question, you may be asked to speculate on (or create) possible spoilers, so I've put the next bit under a cut. I would ask that you do likewise if your comment/answer strays into similar territory.

Some thoughts:
 

Will Clint turn Ronin? There are hints...


Why? Tragic loss? Wrong fortune cookie? On the run from the law after the Raft breakout?

And what about Natasha's sudden blond do? Why? How long will it last?



How will the others fare? How would you LIKE them to? How will they interact with Clint, Natasha, and Clint-and-Natasha?

And the big one: will we be leaving the theatre seeing before us possibilities that had been foreclosed to all but fan fic authors since Age of Ultron (aka the movie that shall not be named except by those of us who also grew to love Laura, however grudgingly)? If so, at what price?

So here's your chance to shape the future - in meta, observations, whacky theories, or ficlet form. Or, if you know someone who's already done it, rec us a fic that foreshadows Infinity War and Beyond! (I did that with the family farm snippet for Age of Ultron in Rain on the Scarecrow. I was, of course, way off, but, eh.) Who knows, you may even find it therapeutic...

And, as always:

Things to remember:
1) Always label NSFW (Not Safe For Work) stuff in the title and post under a cut.
2) Fic and artwork needs to have a rating and warnings (or you can say that you’ve chosen not to use warnings).
3) For people with annoying internet connections, say in the title if a comment is graphic/images/gif-heavy and post picspams under a cut.
4) Have a damn good time! (Because if that’s not happening then this post has clearly failed.)

 

 
 
 
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sandy79: hawkeye[personal profile] sandy79 on November 11th, 2017 05:48 am (UTC)
Okay, some theories:

a) Natasha's new hair color: I think she realizes that agreeing to the accords was the wrong way, meets with Steve in Wakanda (or tracks him down somewhere else, since Steve can't stay when Bucky is back in the chamber), and spring Clint, Wanda, Sam and Scott from the raft. Which makes her an accomplice in Ross' eyes, and he puts her on the wanted list as well. But everyone's looking for a redhead, not a blonde ;)

b) Clint apparently going Ronin: I think it's more likely that Laura and the kids either get snatched by Ross' minions or go into hiding before it happens, and that Clint comes home from the Raft only to find the farm abandoned, maybe even with indicators that tell him that his family is dead. Hooefully his friendship to Natasha is still strong enough to keep him on the good side...

there's an excellent story by andybeth82 on AO3 that speculates on that issue as well:

http://archiveofourown.org/works/11216250
alphaflyer[personal profile] alphaflyer on November 11th, 2017 03:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the disguise thing for Natasha is the most plausible answer.

"Pepper, you mind if I borrow some of your hair products?"

PS: Thanks for the rec - andibeth82 is actually one of the mods here, under the handle [personal profile] findthesea! :)
SorceressSupreme: mad scientist[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 11th, 2017 08:14 am (UTC)
I'm just constantly terrified that they're going to kill Natasha off for ~*emotional impact*~.

I could be wrong, but in the comics Clint was fake dead when he became Ronin, right? I'd much rather they fake kill him off for emotional impact and then bring him back for Ronin immediately :D

With [spoilers that happened during the Ragnarok mid credits scene] happening now, I kind of hope they jump right into the action instead of spending time establishing how everyone got out of the Raft? Actually now that I typed that I'm totally in for a quick prison break/heist once they realize the big bad is more important than any dumb accords XD
inkvoices: avengers:natasha thinky[personal profile] inkvoices on November 11th, 2017 10:11 am (UTC)
In reference to the Thor Ragnarok mid-credits scene I think they can launch straight into the action too. We had the Raft break out at the end of Civil War and I think that's all we'll get of that.
alphaflyer[personal profile] alphaflyer on November 11th, 2017 02:46 pm (UTC)
Agree on both points. I'm placing bets on a scene of Thor running in with Thanos, getting away, and doing that windshield splat on the Milano.

As for the raft breakout, I assume it'll be handled just like the Ft Meade break-in for Sam's wings: with a nod and a shrug. Comics skip stuff all the time! Time-honoured tradition... :)

Edited 2017-11-11 02:56 pm (UTC)
SorceressSupreme: the best laid plans....[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 11th, 2017 06:20 pm (UTC)
YES! I'd also just love that kind of hard jump into Infinity War... I think they can possibly get into a lot of trouble trying to explain *why* all of this is going on.
SorceressSupreme: ivy[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 11th, 2017 06:19 pm (UTC)
Oh did that already happen?? Maybe I should go rewatch it XD but also I've read so much fanfic since then I'm probably mixing up what is and isn't canon...
inkvoices[personal profile] inkvoices on November 11th, 2017 10:31 pm (UTC)
During the voice over at the end of Civil War Cap breaks everyone out. It's just a short little montage thing though.
inkvoices: avengers:natasha thinky[personal profile] inkvoices on November 11th, 2017 10:08 am (UTC)
I think in the comics Clint went Ronin after he died and came back? Or his family died? But my hopes for the appearence change is that since they're fugitives this is their disguises.

So Steve dresses as Nomad, because he can't not go out and be a hero and help people. But how many super soldier shaped heros are there running around? Steve is fooling no one. Meanwhile to protect his family Clint fakes his death or spreads rumours of his death, stops using a bow, acts like a ninja, and everyone is all 'but who is this masked stranger?' Natasha just dyes her hair, dresses to fit in, puts herself in someone else's shoes, and no one notices her. Because she is a spy boys!

And no one knows who Scott Lang is and Bucky is frozen.

This is gonna be my fanon for fics until proven otherwise anyway :)

As much as i'd like canon Clint/Natasha I wouldn't want them to kill off Laura and the kids just to serve Clint's character, the way they introduced them in the first place, although I think they would. In which case if T'Challa and Nat would like to keep flirting, just for the fun and the challenge, I find that amusing.

I re-watched Avengers last weekend and noticed all over again that the Clint/Natasha is really strong in that film *happy sigh*.

Edited 2017-11-11 10:17 am (UTC)
alphaflyer[personal profile] alphaflyer on November 11th, 2017 02:56 pm (UTC)
Well, I honestly hold very little hope for Clint's fam. Especially not after that audition for a funeral scene in Atlanta...?

As for Scott, he can hide under the perfect cover of already being a convicted felon:

"Of course I'm in your system, officer. Surely you heard of the VistaCorp job? I'm kinda famous. In certain circles."

Edited 2017-11-11 02:57 pm (UTC)
SorceressSupreme: robot is sad[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 11th, 2017 06:23 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of even more of them having to be in-disguise versions of themselves :D

Also totally here for more T'Challa and Nat flirting! I hope they get Bucky off ice ASAP, though D:
inkvoices[personal profile] inkvoices on November 11th, 2017 11:36 pm (UTC)
I kind of want frozen!Bucky just in the background of a Black Panther as people run past or something, just a teeny tiny funny cameo. Because having seen the trailier Black Panther really does not need Bucky, but it would amuse me. And then yep, he can wake up for Infinity War ;)

And I am looking forward to meeting all the ladies in T'Challa's life who taught him how to act around ladies like Nat :D
SorceressSupreme: karolina[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 13th, 2017 08:49 pm (UTC)
omg YES to all of this XD
crystallitanie[personal profile] crystallitanie on November 11th, 2017 02:26 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid that in the aftermath of the whole AoU debacle, they'll try to fix the "holy-crap-Hawkeye-has-a-family" fiasco by killing them off, hence Hawkeye becomes Ronin - born in the darkness and all that. Which will rather piss me off, because as much as I hated this storyline, killing four perfectly likable (and innocent) characters just to fix this mess? Ugh.

Steve has thrown the shield, which probably means that he won't be Captain America anymore (or it might also mean a couple of inspiring scenes, where he and Tony forgive each other and then he picks up the damn thing and they go save the world). Tony will be alone, mentoring Peter Parker, and I'll love it if he's the one who makes the first contact with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

As for Natasha? I guess she's blonde because she's gone into hiding. I rather liked what the Russo brothers did with her in Civil War - for once she didn't follow/babysit/beg anyone to love her, but actually made her own decisions and was probably the most balanced and cool-headed member of the team (well done Marvel, only took you four films). Although with so many heroes on the roster, I'm afraid that the whole movie will turn into a fight for screening time, so we won't see as much of her as we'd like.

I suppose that the first part of the first movie will focus on the backstories of everyone - what they've done after Civil War and how their relationships were formed in the aftermath of it. Then Ragnarok credits scene happens and we watch them get together again, some grudgingly, others trying to convince the rest of them to make it work somehow, we get introduced to Stephen Strange and the Guardians, see how everyone interacts with each other, and if we're lucky we get a little bit of action. I wouldn't get my hopes too high about that last part, though... after all, Marvel has proved herself to be the queen of unfulfilled expectations. (What gender is Marvel in English, really?)
alphaflyer[personal profile] alphaflyer on November 11th, 2017 03:01 pm (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much (re Clint's family). Especially since that's what happened in the comics, although there we only got to meet them for a few panels, not long enough to reluctantly grow to like them enough to actually write fic about them... :P

I personally CANNOT wait for Dr Strange and Mr Stark to run into one another in Manhattan, on the margins of some pre-credit scene-setting disaster. Battle of the egos!

"Wait, what. You're on MY side? Well, don't bother. I'm handling this just fine myself!"
crystallitanie[personal profile] crystallitanie on November 12th, 2017 10:58 am (UTC)
Yes, I'm sure that this mashup will inspire many interesting fanfics afterwards - so many relationships to explore!
SorceressSupreme: ivy[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 11th, 2017 06:27 pm (UTC)
Ah, yes, I totally forgot the Russos are in charge of this one! That gives me a lot of hope for the ensemble scenes and how Natasha gets treated!
crystallitanie[personal profile] crystallitanie on November 12th, 2017 10:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, me too! Although at this point, anything would be better than Whedon's take, really...
SorceressSupreme: annoyed text kate[personal profile] sorcer3sssupreme on November 13th, 2017 08:49 pm (UTC)
Seriously >_>