15 October 2012 @ 04:17 pm
Creative Support Group - The Beta Edition  
I’ve been on both sides of the writer-beta relationship and both come with lots of questions. I thought maybe we could have some discussion :)

> Finding a beta: always awkward. Do you leave a message on your own journal or on a community and hope that someone’s interested? Is it too cheeky to send someone a private message asking them? Is there beta etiquette?

(I noticed that a fair amount of people said on the Secret Santa post that they would be happy to beta. If there are people on the comm who beta, what would you think about maybe setting up a kind of beta directory for writers looking for betas?)

> Being a beta: has it’s own worries. How harsh do writers want you to be? How thorough? What kind of help are they looking for? What kind of help do betas offer?

> Keeping a beta: is there an etiquette on how many times you can ask someone to look over the same fic? Is there etiquette for how long a beta can take to look it over? Can you have more than one beta at a time? If one beta says one thing and the other something different what do you do? Do you introduce them to each other? If you need a beta again in the future do you have to start all over again or can you email the same beta and ask, ‘um, remember me?’

I’m guessing a lot of this is personal and that there are a lot of different views, and that I’ve missed a lot of questions, so bring on the discussion! And if you’re looking for a beta this could be a good place to start :)
 
 
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inkvoices: avengers:cap art time[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
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And what do people think about creating a beta directory? I was thinking of a post where people would reply with their beta style, how they prefer to be contacted, what they're willing to do, and then people wanting a beta on the comm would know that those people were willing to be asked to beta.
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
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I think that is a terrific idea :) And I want to be on that list *grins*

Edited 2012-10-15 07:19 pm (UTC)
[identity profile] anuna-81.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 07:12 pm (UTC)
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YES TO THIS. YES. Also, I want to be on that list *G*
[identity profile] frea-o.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 07:36 pm (UTC)
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If you're going to set up a database, you should have betas rate themselves on a scale about strictness, knowledge of grammar/usage/characterization. Somehow, I'm equating the strictest end of that scale to be equated to Natasha holding a whip, which tells you just how much this community has compromised my brain.

But yeah, that would be a great resource. I'd sign up.
inkvoices[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
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If I do this (which it's looking like I will - lots of takers *grins*) then 'Natasha with a whip' should definitely be a level of strictness lol. What would be less strict? Natasha with a raised eyebrow? :D

I'm not sure about defining someone's level of knowledge, because how people may define that is probably going to be hugely different and possibly incomparable. I think I'd do an 'experience' type part maybe, where you could say if you'd proff read professionally, studied English, edited a college paper, beta read a lot before. Things like that. What do you reckon?
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
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That sounds like a great way to go about it, going by experience instead of self assesment.

Would Natasha scowling at Tony be an acceptable level of strictness? ;)
inkvoices: avengers:tony pain[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
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Would Natasha scowling at Tony be an acceptable level of strictness?

Would that be more or less scary than Natasha holding a whip???
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
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That's what I was pondering myself there ;) No idea, my dear :D But I think I'd go with more scary??? I mean, that whip you might have a chance to avoid, but that scowl - brutal!
inkvoices: avengers:lol[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
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Hmmm...

Natasha scowling at Tony > Natasha holding a whip > Natasha raising an eyebrow?

Alternatively:

Loki'd Clint > Clint looking at you down an arrow shaft > Clint with a nerf gun?
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
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Sounds about right *lol*
Loving the Clint ones!!!

Now, can we pleeze have icons for that ;)
inkvoices: iconage[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
icons of strictness
Can do.



Edited 2012-10-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:44 pm (UTC)
Re: icons of strictness
You're a doll, those are great! *hugs*
[identity profile] shadoedseptmbr.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
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Awesome!
[identity profile] shadoedseptmbr.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
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I'd say 'Natasha pretending to be Natalie Rushman' would be the least strict.
inkvoices: avengers:lol[personal profile] inkvoices on October 15th, 2012 09:32 pm (UTC)
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Bwahaha, true fact! :D
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:34 pm (UTC)
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True, so true *giggles*
http://lar_laughs.livejournal.com/: Eva Green - observant[identity profile] lar_laughs.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 08:00 pm (UTC)
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I'm all in for this idea. I think i would be more comfortable if someone picked me based on style and not just because I offered.
[identity profile] shadoedseptmbr.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
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I'm up for that!
[identity profile] book-junkie007.livejournal.com on October 15th, 2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
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Whenever I have time, I'd be willing to beta. :)