08 March 2013 @ 06:24 pm
All The Things Friday - Hurt and Comfort  
Hurt and Comfort - Assassin Style

Greetings, Best Bar on Earth :)

It's time for a confession, I believe, so here it goes:
Hello, my name is Shen and I'm an h/c addict. *waves to group* I hope I'm not alone in this, but I seriously doubt it :)

What is so fascinating about hurt/comfort? Part of it surely is that you get to see the characters in extreme situations. How do they react when they are not in peak condition, physically, mentally or both?

I find this extremely interesting where Clint and Natasha are concerned. They are spies, assassins, badasses, right? But they are also human, and no matter how well you're trained, some things will just hit you where it hurts. There's only so much your body can take and the mind is an even more fragile thing. The movie just begged to explore how the mindcontrol would affect Clint's mental well-being and there are wonderful fics out there doing just that.

How would being in a relationship influence our favorite assassins in the field if one of them is injured? What length would they got to to protect/save/comfort the other? Is it different from them just being friends/partners? Would that maybe spark something? Where the comforting is concerned, would you expect mother-henning or rather snark and banter?

If you write hurt/comfort, you might find this site really helpful: Doctor Grasshopper. The title is "How To Kill Your Imaginary Friends: A writer's guide to diseases and injuries, and how to use them effectively in fiction"--and really, how much more relevant can you get? It's accessible, trustworthy-looking information (written by someone who teaches and is doing his/her medical residency), and is geared specifically toward writers (and can be helpful for artists, too!). (And if you feel like you've just seen this information last week, you're probably also a member of hoodietime :))

Anyways, rambly ramble is rambly - it's gonna be a rainy weekend so I'll be in need of some good hurt/comfort and would love your recs :D And please bring artwork and gifs too, I know there are tons of great ones out there!

Here are some of my favorites:

Libertas by [livejournal.com profile] anuna_81 (R for nudity) Summary: Natasha takes Clint on a trip in an effort to fix him after New York. Travelling and the destination, and her history with the destination fixes them both.

All your Metal Armor by surrealis on AO3 (M, non-graphic sex, angst) which is beautifully written from Natasha's point of view after the battle of New York. Clint and Natasha have some healing to attend to after everything that happened.

And then I'm just gonna throw Aggie2011 at you on FFN (see individual fics for ratings and warnings). She has this whole universe of H/C stories revolving around Clint. There's a lot of Clint and Coulson friendship there, which is really well done. But it really starts to shine once Natasha makes an entrance.

Two for the show by mousie tongue on FFN (Teen and up, bullying, physical and verbal; sexualized assault of a minor; minor-on-minor violence; homophobia and homophobic language; swearing; mentions of an eating disorder, child abuse, and possible non-con of a minor) After her uncle is taken, young Natasha Romanov ends up in state's custody at a group home. She can tough it out alone... but somehow fellow resident Clint Barton becomes the reason she doesn't have to. A high school AU.

Going to Ground by [livejournal.com profile] alphaflyer on FFN (M, see post for warnings) Levelling out is part of their routine, part of after-action clean-up. They've done it many times before and are damned professional about it. But as she said, this last one was all about magic and monsters, and nothing they had ever trained for ...

And finally two by [livejournal.com profile] lar_laughs, Whatever it takes (teen and up, injuries) and See How I Am Faithful (teen and up, deaf character).

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_samalander/ on March 8th, 2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
Oh I love the hurty!

A Million Little Things (http://avengersfest.livejournal.com/15485.html) (PG-13, BDSM, canon violence) was a gift to me from [livejournal.com profile] chasingtides during Avengersfest, and it is glorious. Short, sweet, and delicious, just a tiny piece about Natasha slipping away and coming back.

striking out across America (http://archiveofourown.org/chapters/688168) (Teen, no warnings) is not quite h/c, but it is a glorious piece of dark, moody, atmospheric character work, about how they try to get time to themselves between missions. And how they fail.

Perception Filters (http://archiveofourown.org/works/505644) (Explicit, off-screen non-con) This is maybe less shippy, but no less hurty. It's an examination of the reasons Clint submits to Natasha, and what she gets out of it. It hurts in all the right ways, but the comfort is somehow up in the air.

Psalm 102:7-9 (http://archiveofourown.org/works/456824) (Teen, no warnings, but see the end for notes) More friendshippy than relationshippy, it's still about Clint struggling on the edge and Natasha being the one who walks the tightrope with him. Worth it just for the scene with the tacos.

Every Second (http://archiveofourown.org/works/436093) (Explicit, Rape/Non-Con, Underage) This one is more about the hurt than the comfort - an idea of the things Clint was made to do while under Loki's power, and just a hint of Natasha wanting to help at the end. It's hard and brutal and beautiful. It is also written in second person, so if that's not your thing, that's not your thing.
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
Awesome recs, my dear! I can't wait to check them out :D I don't need shippy, or comforty, I like the hurt ;)
[identity profile] anuna-81.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 07:38 pm (UTC)
WHEEE OHMIGHOSH YOU RECCED LIBERTAS. !!!!!! *meep* *flails*

I suppose it does include hurt/comfort aspects; hurt and comfort are emotional, and there's a mutual way to recovery, because Clint's hurt is Natasha's hurt. She took him to a place that seems to help her heal, and she's not really *good* at this, but she tries her best to help him and pull him out of his post-Loki trauma. (And I enjoyed so much writing about places I know, whose history I know.... it's a really special fic for me).

I somehow haven't written a classical hurt comfort yet? I think. If you don't count Phantom pain (http://head-on-home.livejournal.com/17078.html) which is a part of Red Thread series (http://head-on-home.livejournal.com/tag/series%3A%20the%20red%20thread) (my pride and joy, just read all the warnings if you go over to read. It's very NSFW.) Anyway, Phantom Pain is a more classic approach to h/c, it's Natasha focused, but the comfort giving is mutual. And that's the thing with this pairing and hurt/comfort - somehow the h/c aspect is always lurking around when I write them. They both have personal histories filled with pain, physical and emotional, and I know that emotional wounds are those that remain longer. They really are like phantom pain, it's invisible but doesn't stop hurting. Which is why I tend to write them aware of this, and aware of each other's needs; and they do provide comfort for each other. Often it's nonverbal; as I am a huge fan of the "they don't need words to communicate" trope. They're definitely made for hurt/comfort.

Interesting questions you have asked! They give me thinky thoughts. I'd risk and say Clint is more comfortable (in lack of better term, english still is my second language) about sustaining injuries (physical ones) and getting through recovery. Depending on how you write him, hearing impaired or not, he knows how to handle and work around physical weakness, which suits his character and fits him. Clint knows that he, and his strengths are more than just sum of the parts. And it's interesting to see his reaction to what Loki did to him. You can ... poke holes (not literally!) in his body and he will deal, but he doesn't know how to handle the experience of having his mind manipulated. And it's great that he has Natasha, that she's around and close, because she knows what that is like. Li.ber.tas is about post-Loki time and Clint dealing with it, actually it's more of Natasha dealing with what Clint had been through.

With Natasha... I think she would have more trouble with being injured and needing someone to take care of her. Which is something I really want to write about. *nods*
[identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
With Natasha... I think she would have more trouble with being injured and needing someone to take care of her.

This really fascinates me. I think what with the events of the movie Clint is often the one on the receiving end of the hurt and the comfort, and Nat becomes kind of default the strong one, so I'm always interested when that presumption is reversed. If anyone has Nat-centric h/c recs, I'd be all over those. :)
[identity profile] anuna-81.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
*nods* I poked at hurt Nat in Red Thread, but I have something more of classic hurt/comfort with her in focus planned for near future.

Seconding the desire for Natasha h/c recs. (I think she is used to her mind being a liability, so to speak - depending again how fractured post- Red Room one writes her. She's used to rely on her body, she's also used to ignore pain and discomfort until her job is done. I think some kind of long term injury would be really frustrating.)

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[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 07:46 pm (UTC)
YES, ALL THE YES TO THAT! I would love to see some Natasha-centric h/c :D

And I agree, she does get to be the strong one by default. A friend of mine who's unfamiliar with the fandom read my latest fic and asked if how I would feel about Nat being the injured party and Clint the strong one. I would love to see how that would play out and I just might have to write that too ;D

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[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
I love h/c for both characters. I guess my fic 'Break the Silence' (http://archiveofourown.org/works/507865) (Mature, warnings: PTSD and allusions to brainwashing/memory loss) could be considered Natasha h/c.
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[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
Well, I kinda went in that direction in Chapter 4 of "Skies over Manhattan" (posted yesterday), in which Natasha deals (or doesn't really want to deal) with her panic attack over the Hulk. Come to think about it, that's also part of "Going to Ground" -- *HUGS* to Shenshen for recc'ing that one (basks...)

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_samalander/ on March 8th, 2013 09:57 pm (UTC)
My long-suffering Only Soldier sequel is planned to have Natasha h/c in it, but that's... Well... A ways off. And I make no promises on quality.
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
Anyway, Phantom Pain is a more classic approach to h/c, it's Natasha focused, but the comfort giving is mutual. ... They both have personal histories filled with pain, physical and emotional, and I know that emotional wounds are those that remain longer. They really are like phantom pain, it's invisible but doesn't stop hurting.

Dude, I love Read Thread and that one in particular. And mutual comfort giving works so well for these two. Yes, they both have those painfilled histories, making them two flawed characters who can be perfectly imperfect together. And their emotional and physical scars are what make them so interesting to play with :D
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
I love a good h/c. What I don't love, though -- and I thought I'd just throw that out here -- is the category called "whump!". As in, Clint!whump. Some authors seem to get off on gratuitously inflicting pain and suffering on characters, without any real concept of consequences, or where the story should lead from there. Largely that seems a function of the age and maturity of the writer, but -- when h/c crosses into that realm, you've lost me. I don't even read stories anymore where that word appears as a tag or in the summary.
[identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
DUDE OMG. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHAT THE DISTINCTION WAS AND WHAT THAT LABEL MEANT. I'd seen it a couple of times and kind of lumped it in with the whole h/c realm (of which I am admittedly not an aficionado).

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[identity profile] anuna-81.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC)
Idfic! It's more... author's relationship to teh story (and suppose the concept of sustaining/suffering pain), than a story about characters who should sound like themselves. Whump was a huge deal in my mommy fandom and most of the time, it was ridic.

Anyway, h/c for me is more about the process of recovery and the care that results from hurt. Pain, injuries, disabilities (temporary or permanent)a re challenging things, emotional damage is even more because there's an issue of shame that comes along with mental illness, all of that is infinitely more interesting than gratuitous pain. And with two undeniably strong characters like Clint and Nat, exploring all these other things is an interesting journey.
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http://lar_laughs.livejournal.com/: Marvel - STALKER[identity profile] lar_laughs.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 03:13 am (UTC)
I've never given it much thought but I totally agree with you! I've never been a fan of whump and I don't gravitate toward those story ideas at all but I do love h/c! It's not the pain I like inflicting but the consequences. Give me a story with some character growth because of the hurt and I'm all in!
(Anonymous) on March 9th, 2013 12:00 pm (UTC)
Depending on what fandom one is coming from, whump does NOT necessarily mean gratuitously inflicting pain and suffering on characters without reflecting on consequences.

H/c can mean emotional hurt, where, for example, Character A suffers because he's in love with B and feels he/she can't express it, or Character B gets his/her feelings hurt by a situation and must talk it out or both Character A & B wrestle with their mental states after something they've done.

Some people's kink isn't emotional h/c, it's *physical* h/c. When these people: me included!: went searching the h/c tags in a prolific fandom, we found a lot of the emotional suffering, which is a perfectly valid use of the tag, but not what we sought. We ended up skimming a lot of stories that didn't scratch our itches. Whump came to mean: at least in some fandoms: more of the physical injuries to a character than emotional ones.

To dismiss an entire category of fic as simply inflicting gratuitous pain means one might miss a lot of stories where the author is using whump to mean Clint and/or Natasha get physically hurt on a mission rather than wrestle with their consciences, NOT only stories where Clint and/or Natasha have graphic torture inflicted on them and then the story ends.

It also sounds pretty judgmental and kink-shamey. "Oh, I don't read THAT: it's just WHUMP!fic." If I were an author of whump-focused fic (which I'm not, I'm just a reader of a damn lot of stories), I wouldn't feel welcomed in a community where that kind of statement was welcomed. As it is, I'll probably get dogpiled for even stating this, as a reader, what my own preferences are.

Also, not everyone WANTS to read about the consequences and where the story should lead. I like a bit of comfort mixed in with my whump: the story mentioned above, Breathe, is doing a good job of that, and I personally would categorize it as the "dreaded" whump!fic, so sue me: but some people do not. They are interested only in reading the hurt part.

That's not something that should be dismissed as undesirable in general: it's undesirable to YOU perhaps, but not to others: it's simply their kink and not yours.

Terms change: language is flexible. It could be that whump is coming to mean what you say, gratuitous pain and suffering without the recovery and consequences.

It could also be that the term means something different from what you perceive.

Me, personally: I'll keep checking out stories with whump in the tags or summary, and leave my judgments for the quality of the story, not whether the author might lack age or maturity.
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ext_2027[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I'm just about to go to bed and you post such a catnip of a post. (Nope, you're not alone at all.)

I shall be back tomorrow bright and early, hoping to find some new things to read. :)
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 8th, 2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
Hehehe, hello new friend :D And welcome to the support group ;D I really hope you'll find something new and shiny to read, I can't wait to check out all the awesome recs :D
[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 01:20 am (UTC)
Uh, guys? I may have just posted hurt/comfort fic. ;)

Human, Slightly Worn (http://sugar-fey.livejournal.com/245804.html) Teen, allusions to PTSD.
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 05:12 am (UTC)
And so you did. And it's wonderful. :-)
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 07:48 am (UTC)
Ohhh, can't wait to check it out :D
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Thank you so much for the rec!

I do love hurt/comfort so much! I think that it can bring about real character growth and is an interesting look at how two very active people react to suddenly being sidelined. In my mind, neither of these characters are very mother-henny. That being said, I think they get PLENTY of opportunity to offer comfrot or to be comforted. It can take on a unique sort of love-language over time. A sort of I know this is what you need at this stage and then you'll need this and then this.
http://lar_laughs.livejournal.com/: Marvel - jeremy and his tattoo[identity profile] lar_laughs.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 03:27 am (UTC)
And I wrote a h/c for the Valentine's Promptathon that is yet another look at Love is for Children which always comes back to how they react to hurt/comfort. Whatever It Takes (http://archiveofourown.org/works/694093) (teen and up)
[identity profile] shenshen77.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 07:57 am (UTC)
You're more than welcome, I really liked those :)

And I couldn't have said it better myself, regarding the comfort offering. They just understand each other and know what the other needs. Ahh, the thinky thoughts... Now I must commit more fic myself ;)
ext_2027[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 01:28 pm (UTC)
Where the comforting is concerned, would you expect mother-henning or rather snark and banter?

I read a teamfic the other day, with a few Clint/Natasha h/c scenes that I found really well handled and in character in the way both react to Clint being hurt (both being acutely aware that they are human and vulnerable, but can't affort weakness) and the way the team in turn reacts to their behavior. Natasha turns out to be kind of a mother hen, but of the tough love variety.

It's a pretty long story and long parts mostly focus on Steve and Tony's feelings IIRC, which bores me; so I ended up skimming through the middle part, but the Clint and Tasha bits in the end are worth checking out: http://archiveofourown.org/works/274916 Robotics by boombangbing

I have a long list of fic recs here -http://astridv.dreamwidth.org/323095.html- and quite a few of them should contain elements of hurt/comfort of the kind I like. (I'm more into physical than emotional h/c, if possible of an understated kind, embedded in the plot.)
ext_2027[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com on March 9th, 2013 01:49 pm (UTC)
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I went through the list (http://astridv.dreamwidth.org/323095.html) and picked out the stories that have h/c elements while it's not a main plot point. Probably gonna overlook some...

eta: darn, forgot about the whole warnings thing. All the recs on the list come with ratings and warnings.

In a Winter Month (main plot point in this one): http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8202644/1/In_a_Winter_Month

Keep Marrying You ('Til I Fall in Love) by [archiveofourown.org profile] Della19

Mr. & Mrs. Barton (Or, Why Natasha Sends Jennifer Aniston an Annual Apologetic Fruit Basket) by [livejournal.com profile] kuhori_rei

The Blood On Her Hands by [archiveofourown.org profile] Maxiekat

Our Secrets Are Our Own by [archiveofourown.org profile] lar_laughs

the highest reaches of human endeavor by [livejournal.com profile] kuhori_rei

if ever two were one by [livejournal.com profile] kuhori_rei

Indebted by [archiveofourown.org profile] sablier_bloque

Movie Night by [livejournal.com profile] rayruz

plus more recent recs not on the list yet (all worksafe, choose not to warn just in case):
no light in this valley by [livejournal.com profile] tryst: http://trysts.livejournal.com/124282.html

Five Times Clint and Natasha Ended Up Under the Mistletoe by [archiveofourown.org profile] allisnow: http://be-compromised.livejournal.com/206344.html

Principles of Fluid Dynamics by [archiveofourown.org profile] hannasus: http://archiveofourown.org/works/560118

On This Winter’s Night by [archiveofourown.org profile] athena4lynn: http://archiveofourown.org/works/610640

um, gonna stop here... ;)

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