20 September 2013 @ 06:24 pm
ATTF: First Meetings  
Hello, dear Bar! It's Friday, I just finished a fic I've been chipping away at for three months, and now I'm your host for the evening (or insert locally appropriate time of day)!

Today's theme is First Meetings. Back when I first sort-of-accidentally fell into this 'ship last spring, I spent a while feeling really lost because of the ambiguity around how Clint and Natasha's story actually starts. I'd never been in a fandom like this one, where everyone picks and chooses to make their own head canon. Turns out making those choices for my own head canon was one of the most fun things I've ever done in fandom, and now I'm a little obsessed with different versions of how they met.

- So, what's your head canon for Clint and Natasha's first meeting? Was it exactly like Natasha tells us in the movie, with Clint being sent by SHIELD to kill her, or is there a part of the story before that? Was there an epic fight, or was it surprisingly non-violent? How did it get decided that Natasha would work for SHIELD? Discuss!

- Rec fic/art/other things that have to do with their first meeting. I'm still new enough to this bar that I'm not sure I have much to add in the way of recs, but I'd love to see what other people come up with.

- COMMENT FIC ABOUT FIRST MEETINGS! (Sorry, I got really excited. :p ) To get us started here, I pulled some unfilled (as far as I know) prompts from ye olde promptathon spreadsheet that could have to do with first meetings and/or early partnership things. It would be awesome to see some fills for these, or feel free to share/prompt your own!

His personnel file was three inches think, and marked "Level Six." She licked her lips in anticipation. (from [livejournal.com profile] alphaflyer)

The first time she initiated an embrace wasn’t what he expected. She was desperately clutching him, fists curled into his shirt on his back, violently shuddering, and with her face buried against his neck. (from [livejournal.com profile] crazy4orcas)

"Before I knew what wanting was, I wanted you." (from [livejournal.com profile] sweetwatersong)

Jedi Knight!Clint is sent to kill Sith Lady!Natasha. He makes a different call. Also, planet Budapest.  (from [livejournal.com profile] endeni)

And the only solution was to stand and fight (lyric from Florence and the Machine's Only If For The Night) (from [livejournal.com profile] inkvoices)

I never met a more impossible girl. (from [livejournal.com profile] sugar_fey)

found a dead-end girl to read my palm, she was into losing streaks so I let her take me on (miiine! :p )

Annnnnnd now time for a little business. ;)

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4) Have a damn good time! (Because if that’s not happening then this post has clearly failed.)
 
 
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[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on September 20th, 2013 11:48 pm (UTC)
This! I want this: Jedi Knight!Clint is sent to kill Sith Lady!Natasha. He makes a different call. Also, planet Budapest. (from endeni)

Though for MCU canon, I hope the first meeting does remain shrouded in shadow. It's better not knowing, methinks.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 20th, 2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
I'm so torn on this. A big part of me does want it to remain undefined, mostly because I like playing with different options. But also, IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME TO SEE IT.
[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:09 am (UTC)
Yah.

My theory is that it was anti-climactic. It was their second meeting where things got interesting.

Also, where is this new fic? *puppy eyes*
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:42 am (UTC)
Tell me more about this second meeting, then! ;)

And I just got it back from the beta. But it's not really a Clint/Nat fic, although it's kinda there in the background.
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[identity profile] andacus.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:11 am (UTC)
Whaaaaat?!? This needs to be a thing!!! Jedi Knight Clint and Sith Natasha?!? WHY IS THIS NOT A THING THAT EXISTS??
[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:19 am (UTC)
I think the solution is to write the thing. :P
[identity profile] andacus.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:26 am (UTC)
If only I had the time. Stupid real life. Still, the seed has beet planted. I may end up foregoing things like eating and work to do this. Damn.
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[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:20 am (UTC)
I'd write it, but I just don't know enough about the Star Wars universe, or how the Force works.
[identity profile] andacus.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:23 am (UTC)
I would too, I have the knowledge of the universe, but just no time. Gah. I waaaaant it.
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[identity profile] frea-o.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 02:49 pm (UTC)
It's okay. Neither does Lucas, or he wouldn't have given us this Midichlorian bulls***.
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[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:18 am (UTC)
I go back and forth on my headcanon for this. In the end, my headcanon adjusts according to what fic I'm writing.

My main headcanon is that Natasha had already escaped the Red Room on her own initiative and was freelancing. She accepted Clint's offer because she had/has a lot of enemies and SHIELD provides better security than she would have on her own. From there the details change according to what story I want to tell. ;)

In MCU canon, I'm fine with never knowing the details. But if they do go into Clint and Natasha's backstory in Avengers 2, I'd be very happy.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, mine is similar. :)

I almost did a self-rec. But then I didn't.
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 04:13 pm (UTC)
self-recs are permitted ... it's how I find the best fic. :-)
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 09:16 pm (UTC)
Haha, well you may have already read it, but this is my main head canon-building fic: http://archiveofourown.org/works/827810

Edited 2013-09-21 09:18 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
ext_36286[identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:01 am (UTC)
Yup, that's basically my starting point too. Something about how Natasha phrases it when she's talking to Loki just makes it sounds like she HAD the skills from the Red Room, but at the point where she and Clint met, she was basically hiring those skills out to whoever could afford them.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:05 am (UTC)
Right, because of the "I didn't care" part of the line? That definitely implies to me that she wasn't being directly controlled by Red Room at that point, although I also think she must not have had much choice overall, because she definitely has some sense of morals now. I don't think she developed all of that after coming to SHIELD, it had to be there buried under survival instincts. At least, in my mind.
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[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:46 am (UTC)
I would love to have a few more details..what we got was so brief, yet so BIG. I guess I want it somewhat addressed because I want to know more about Natasha...and this is huge. Maybe we will get a snippet in CA2?

I think my view has been affected a lot by fanfiction, but I'm always questioning what the "real" story is.

My other question is, when? Was it a few years ago? Was it 10 years ago?
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:50 am (UTC)
Ooh, that's a good question too! In my main head canon I picked 7 years, partly because I liked the idea of writing Natasha as a teenager at the beginning (and this is a question too, whether she was frozen/has enhanced aging or not) and partly just because I felt like their history had that kind of richness to it. But I've definitely seen lots of different takes that I like.

What do you think?
[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
This is exactly what I lean towards as well. I don't get a feeling they are newbie-partners (although I suppose a few years isn't exactly newbies...but still)...and she is so young in Iron Man 2, yet obviously a very trusted agent by that point. I could totally see him thinking "yeah, she is a kid, not gonna do it". I'm thinking 17-19 maybe?

Also that quote from SLJ saying Natasha is like a daughter to Fury...I could see him being fond of her especially if she was younger when she joined SHIELD.
(no subject) - [identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:00 am (UTC)
ext_36286[identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
I'd say between 5-7 years ago. Just because :)
[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, I go for about 5-7 years as well. It feels right.
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[identity profile] jacedesbff.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 02:42 am (UTC)
That's always been my headcanon.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 01:37 am (UTC)
Just putting this out there -- I kinda really want to write an early partnership fic where they get stuck in the woods on a really boring recon mission. And then talking. Because reasons. (Can you tell I have the details of this really well developed? :p )
[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 02:09 am (UTC)
I'm betting missions, even with them, are 90% downtime 9% boring work and MAYBE 1% excitement. I'd say it would be perfectly feasible for a long deep and meaningful going down on any mission, woods or no.
[identity profile] enigma731.livejournal.com on September 21st, 2013 02:24 am (UTC)
Yes, totally. I mostly like the idea of it being the woods because I think that would put Natasha out of her element. And then she'd have to trust him more. Or else she'd be more paranoid of him to begin with, and THEN have to trust him more. :p Also I just like woods. Because reasons.
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