01 August 2014 @ 10:40 pm
ATTF: comics vs. movies  
Hello! I'm your guest host for tonight's ATTF, and I'll dig right in: comics vs. movies. Did you read the comics (by which I mainly refer to the 616 universe)? Do you have certain expectations, certain things you want the movies to revisit? Do you mix and match the comic canon and movie canon, or do you keep them separate?

To get things started, my two cents are that the characters in the movies and the characters in the comics are at the same time the same and also very different people. A friend of mine once said that the movie characters have a different 'energy' than the comics ones, and I think that's a good description for my take on it as well. Take Natasha: on the one hand you have the woman from the comics who has been around for decades, spy, assassin, criminal with a long and storied history. On the other, you have the movie version, who -- at least based on canon so far -- is far younger, and who, and that's my impression, ymmv, is more empathetic than the comics one. And then Clint: there's the SHIELD agent and assassin from the movies, and then there's the human disaster from the comics who just recently swore he never killed anyone (however true that can be).

The one thing they have in common though, so far -- and will hopefully continue to -- is that they care for each other deeply and that their lives are entangled. They're exes in the comics -- though there's so much more to their shared history. Clint calls Natasha his best friend and his work wife, and one of my favorite comics panels has Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman, at the time Clint's fresh ex-girlfriend) realizing that something must have happened to him by seeing Natasha lose her composure, and she knows that Clint's the only one whose loss would prompt such a reaction from her. Funny enough, I don't ship them in the comics -- I actually ship Clint like fedex with someone else -- while the movie versions are one of my OTPs.

So, now, enough about me, back to the beginning: What about you? Do you keep your Clints and Natashas separate, or do you morph them together? Do you make use of comics canon for movie fic, and if so what is it? What parts of the comics would you like to come up in the movies, and which do you think don't fit? Do you have fic recs for fic that combines them well? Meta recs that either point out the differences or talk about the similarities? Any headcanons you'd like to share, about the things in their backstories that do or don't align? Just remember:

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i was born difficult for myself[personal profile] geckoholic on August 1st, 2014 10:09 pm (UTC)
Ahaha, yeah, that's how I got into the comics too. Same on the military background for Clint in the MCU. And I'm *dying* to get the carnie and family stuff from the comics on screen, though I'm not holding my breath for the latter. How much I use it/like it used in fic right now though kinda varies, idek. IT'S COMPLICATED, lol.

Heeh, in the comics I'm all for Clint/Kate. The special hell ship, that's where I ended up... XD
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 10:27 pm (UTC)
YES on the military background head canon! And based on what I heard from SDCC, Clint mentions the circus in Age of Ultron, so there'll be some convergence (at least notional ...).
i was born difficult for myself: Avengers Hawkeye2[personal profile] geckoholic on August 2nd, 2014 02:35 pm (UTC)
Heeh, yep, I heard. CANNOT WAIT.
[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 11:26 pm (UTC)
Why is that the special hell ship?
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 11:42 pm (UTC)
I think it's an age issue ... ;-)
[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 11:44 pm (UTC)
How old is she? And I always thought Clint in the comics was way younger than MCU Clint.
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 11:52 pm (UTC)
Late teens, 18 or 19. Clint himself describes her as "like, NINE" at one point. The additional issue would be the student/mentor relationship. (That said, I've read a number of Clint/Kate fics that were very good and believable -- she is "old enough" for a consenting, adult relationship IMHO.)
[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on August 1st, 2014 11:59 pm (UTC)
Ah got it. Yeah, I don't think 18 or 19 is too terrible...esp. since Clint seems like he is 30 or something? But as a completely unbiased (yeah right, ha!) opinion, Natasha still seems way foxier than Kate (who is cute in her own way).
i was born difficult for myself: Marvel Clint/Kate[personal profile] geckoholic on August 2nd, 2014 02:34 pm (UTC)
She's 21 actually, or 20 when the Fraction run starts -- that and Young Avengers V2 run kinda parallel for while, and her birthday is explicitly mentioned. He's 32, I dunno where I saw that confirmed in canon but I'm really pretty sure it was.

And I wouldn't call it too big of a deal myself, but there's wank of the 'omg how could you ship THAT' sort every so often and by now we're calling it a special hell ship ourselves to save everyone the time, lol. /detour

[identity profile] happilydancing.livejournal.com on August 2nd, 2014 05:27 pm (UTC)
Haha, yeah that is totally ok.