01 August 2014 @ 10:40 pm
ATTF: comics vs. movies  
Hello! I'm your guest host for tonight's ATTF, and I'll dig right in: comics vs. movies. Did you read the comics (by which I mainly refer to the 616 universe)? Do you have certain expectations, certain things you want the movies to revisit? Do you mix and match the comic canon and movie canon, or do you keep them separate?

To get things started, my two cents are that the characters in the movies and the characters in the comics are at the same time the same and also very different people. A friend of mine once said that the movie characters have a different 'energy' than the comics ones, and I think that's a good description for my take on it as well. Take Natasha: on the one hand you have the woman from the comics who has been around for decades, spy, assassin, criminal with a long and storied history. On the other, you have the movie version, who -- at least based on canon so far -- is far younger, and who, and that's my impression, ymmv, is more empathetic than the comics one. And then Clint: there's the SHIELD agent and assassin from the movies, and then there's the human disaster from the comics who just recently swore he never killed anyone (however true that can be).

The one thing they have in common though, so far -- and will hopefully continue to -- is that they care for each other deeply and that their lives are entangled. They're exes in the comics -- though there's so much more to their shared history. Clint calls Natasha his best friend and his work wife, and one of my favorite comics panels has Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman, at the time Clint's fresh ex-girlfriend) realizing that something must have happened to him by seeing Natasha lose her composure, and she knows that Clint's the only one whose loss would prompt such a reaction from her. Funny enough, I don't ship them in the comics -- I actually ship Clint like fedex with someone else -- while the movie versions are one of my OTPs.

So, now, enough about me, back to the beginning: What about you? Do you keep your Clints and Natashas separate, or do you morph them together? Do you make use of comics canon for movie fic, and if so what is it? What parts of the comics would you like to come up in the movies, and which do you think don't fit? Do you have fic recs for fic that combines them well? Meta recs that either point out the differences or talk about the similarities? Any headcanons you'd like to share, about the things in their backstories that do or don't align? Just remember:

1) Always label NSFW (Not Safe For Work) stuff in the title and post under a cut.
2) Fic and artwork needs to have a rating and warnings (or you can say that you’ve chosen not to use warnings).
3) For people with annoying internet connections, say in the title if a comment is graphic/images/gif-heavy and post picspams under a cut.
4) Have a damn good time! (Because if that’s not happening then this post has clearly failed.)
 
 
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i was born difficult for myself: Avengers team[personal profile] geckoholic on August 2nd, 2014 02:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Haha, I actually came into it through the first Iron Man movie, which I watched with my ex-boyfriend when it came out. Years later, I think roundabout when Cap 1 came out, a friend sat me down and made me watch ALL THE MOVIES that were out until then so she could drag me into the theater for Avengers. Lol, the rest is history... XD

Yeah, I get what you mean with team stuff getting too busy. I'm picky with that too. And I have been warned off the Ultimates verse extensively -- I'm reading Miles Morales, because cutie, but that's it -- and after a brief check on the Ultimates character summaries for Clint and Nat decided that yup, no, not gonna go there. I will forever be thankful for Clint's costume tho. XD

Man, I have SO MANY FEELINGS about Clint and Barney and each of them on their own after Hawkeye #19. SO MANY. ;__;

And oh, cool comparison! I think the panels in that picspam have been drawn after the movie came out, so it's the other way around, but the way they're translating things back and forth is still SO COOL. I've got the art book for Cap 2 and peaked into a few others at a friend's, and they're showing more of that in there, sometimes, how they're putting the comics aesthetics on screen.
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 2nd, 2014 03:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Actually, now that you reminded me, I DID see Ironman first, which is why I was then prepared to see Avengers. I saw it on a plane coming back from Afghanistan and, whoa -- could I EVER relate to the opening scenes...

And yes on Clint's looks from Ultimates. I think that purple abomination that so many fanboys still mourn is beyond ridiculous. \0/
i was born difficult for myself: Marvel Black Widow gun[personal profile] geckoholic on August 2nd, 2014 08:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Oh, so you.. how do you say it correctly in english, you served? (It's getting late. Brain can't english anymore. /o\)

And haha, yes. Not missing that thing one bit, I'm ever so grateful they changed his costume in the comics too. X
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 2nd, 2014 08:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Not exactly. Government lawyer, advising our military forces on certain issues related to the conflict. Was there only long enough to know that what they showed in the movie as Baghram Air Base wasn't.

Wir können auch Deutsch sprechen ... ;-) (Although that wouldn't be polite, would it.)
i was born difficult for myself[personal profile] geckoholic on August 2nd, 2014 08:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Ahh. Now I think I remember you already mentioning once that you're a lawyer. That was you, wasn't it? Lol, I'm still in the process of getting y'all sorted. /o\

Oh, könnten wir. XD But you're right, I guess that wouldn't be polite to the rest. Heeh. Plus, speaking german in a fannish context is SO weird, isn't it?
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on August 2nd, 2014 09:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Frankly, speaking German in any context (professional, fannish, you name it -- other than the occasional beer) seems weird to me now ... I tried it with some German/Swiss/Austrian colleagues once, in the context of a human rights negotiation, and we ended up going back to English, because how the hell do you translate "gender mainstreaming" ...???

But if you were ever to PM me, I can certainly try and respond in The Mother Tongue.
i was born difficult for myself: Avengers Black Widow[personal profile] geckoholic on August 3rd, 2014 12:07 am (UTC)
Re: Comics to Movies -- PICSPAM!
Heh, I still do it regularly at work and in my private life, but speaking anything other than English online is just... weird? Like, I've had betas who were also German, but we very quickly agreed on English. It's even weird when talking to rl fandom friends about fannish stuff. Plus, I can't write in German. Haven't done it in, like, fifteen years or more, and by now German belongs to, you know. Amtsdeutsch. And yeah, there are just so many words that aren't quite translatable, I can imagine that'd only get worse the more specific your vocabulary gets.

Okay, noted. XD

Edited 2014-08-03 12:09 am (UTC)