15 October 2012 @ 04:17 pm
Creative Support Group - The Beta Edition  
I’ve been on both sides of the writer-beta relationship and both come with lots of questions. I thought maybe we could have some discussion :)

> Finding a beta: always awkward. Do you leave a message on your own journal or on a community and hope that someone’s interested? Is it too cheeky to send someone a private message asking them? Is there beta etiquette?

(I noticed that a fair amount of people said on the Secret Santa post that they would be happy to beta. If there are people on the comm who beta, what would you think about maybe setting up a kind of beta directory for writers looking for betas?)

> Being a beta: has it’s own worries. How harsh do writers want you to be? How thorough? What kind of help are they looking for? What kind of help do betas offer?

> Keeping a beta: is there an etiquette on how many times you can ask someone to look over the same fic? Is there etiquette for how long a beta can take to look it over? Can you have more than one beta at a time? If one beta says one thing and the other something different what do you do? Do you introduce them to each other? If you need a beta again in the future do you have to start all over again or can you email the same beta and ask, ‘um, remember me?’

I’m guessing a lot of this is personal and that there are a lot of different views, and that I’ve missed a lot of questions, so bring on the discussion! And if you’re looking for a beta this could be a good place to start :)
 
 
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inkvoices[personal profile] inkvoices on October 16th, 2012 08:03 pm (UTC)
I have that problem with comments. I figure that if all I ever do is praise people in comments then it's going to come across as empty praise, right, because if everyone gets praise and I say that everyone is wonderful that does it really have meaning anymore? But then some people like constructive criticism in comments, some people don't, and some people say that they do but they've never really had it and so don't. What I try to do then is say things like 'there were minor spelling/grammar mistakes but it didn't detract from the story' or 'I was a bit uncertain about this bit', things like that, and if the author asks for specifics then I'll give it. Usually they don't, they just say that they didn't have a beta and they'll think about getting one. And then I always end with something like 'I liked it'.

My beta reading, on the other hand, includes everything that I think is good and everything that I think is faulty. All the things.

Whe you say that you did a beta thing by accident, do you mean that you pointed out mistakes or...?

"what if it's just terrible?" I'm gonna confess something here - I actually like it if a fic that I'm beta reading has some obvious mistakes, because then I feel like I can help rather than just praising. If it's bad bad then I'll do a first read through of general things and say that that's what i've done, and that when they've sorted that I can read through again for, say, spelling and grammar, and so on. That way they don't get a heap of crit all at once...and I don't go too crazy ;) But I've yet to read anything that's complete rot. Well, written by anyone but me anyway lol.
[identity profile] cybermathwitch.livejournal.com on October 17th, 2012 02:24 am (UTC)
I know personally? I generally prefer comments where people tell me things about how they interpreted what was going on, or what they think they're seeing in the work (themes, ideas, and the like) - and/or what they liked about it or what they think worked. I absolutely don't mind constructive comments (ex: when I posted the Bourne Legacy fic I wrote to AO3 a kind soul pointed out that the name Aaron gives Marta in the hotel is "June" Munroe, and I'd mistakenly written Judith.) That's entirely cool, too (though of course I *enjoy* the "yay, I liked xyz" more, but the other's dead useful, so.)

Whe you say that you did a beta thing by accident, do you mean that you pointed out mistakes or...?

As to what I did... I think I've trauma blocked it? (Are you allowed to trauma block things when *you're* the one that did them? Anyway.) I'm fairly sure I did the same kinds of things I do when I beta, which is to say I suggested other ways to have said something, nit-picked at things... I always try to be helpful/positive about it - none of it was mean or mean-spirited, but in retrospect it was also horribly inappropriate of me.


"what if it's just terrible?" I'm gonna confess something here - I actually like it if a fic that I'm beta reading has some obvious mistakes, because then I feel like I can help rather than just praising. If it's bad bad then I'll do a first read through of general things and say that that's what i've done, and that when they've sorted that I can read through again for, say, spelling and grammar, and so on. That way they don't get a heap of crit all at once...and I don't go too crazy ;) But I've yet to read anything that's complete rot. Well, written by anyone but me anyway lol.

I always ask upfront if someone's sending me something for broad-stroke ideas (are we going to talk about plot and characters and what's happening here?) or nit-picky details (like try a different word or sentence structure, or "you need a comma here").
inkvoices: avengers:not the worst thing (IM)[personal profile] inkvoices on October 17th, 2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
I like all comments of all kinds, but I do get a sinking feeling if I get a comment full of faults without any positive points at all. And I know that I get defensive when someone picks on something that I know I did right and I shouldn't do that *sigh*.

Are you allowed to trauma block things when *you're* the one that did them? Hmm, it's entirely possible that this is why my memory is so bad.