So why does somebody have to die? B/c Thanos is too much of a badass? Joss definitely knows how to kill people off, but I was hoping we could avoid that, at least with the original 6.

...maybe THIS is why there's going to be an Ant Man film ;)

I do think that characters dying can show just how not easy defeating the bad guys is, ramps up the audience tension and fear as they think anyone could be next, all that jazz. I've read one of the earlier scripts for Serenity which does that have that incident of which we do not speak and yeah, the final script was better. That said, I don't think that necessarily means people always have to die. Sometimes just knowing that this is Joss Whedon is now enough to ramp up that tense expectation, because the audience already know that he will consider killing people off. And what about people outside of the main six? Look out Pepper, Darcy, Jane...

...maybe THIS is why there's going to be an Ant Man film ;)


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True, but I think it's almost expected at this point. I just compelling, original writing that makes whatever happens feel earned. And I actually have a lot of high hopes that we will get that.

I just compelling, original writing that makes whatever happens feel earned. THIS. Forever and always <3

...maybe THIS is why there's going to be an Ant Man film ;)

Rofl. For a Clintasha hangout, we do a great sideline of hating on Ant Man.

Characters dying does do all of that, but it doesn't have to be main person, it can be a new SHIELD recruit that the TV show audience knows even. I can see the movie starting from a "redshirt" perspective with a random agent waking up and going through duties that coincidentally bring the audience up to date if they (for whatever wimpy reason, haven't watched the intervening Marvel films or SHIELD tv show), then having the redshirt killed off by a minion of X Bad Guy. Roll title sequence.

Yes, that sound like a perfect way to go about it :D Totally possible and acceptable from my point of view!

I'm glad you were able to make sense of that mess of words and thoughts!

You know I can make sense of whatever you write ;) It's my superpower ;D But seriously, I really like this idea. I'd say there is a real possibility of this happening too, what with the Shield series and everything.

Yah, the SHIELD series is my hope for getting all the awesome ladies that I love in the Marvel universe who don't look like they'll be showing up anytime soon.

For a Clintasha hangout, we do a great sideline of hating on Ant Man.

LMAO.

I don't even know how it came about. It's look poor Ant-Man took all the brunt of our anger for us not getting a Black Widow movie. And hell, now it's like a fandom pastime, lol.

Yeah, I think we were all like "No Black Widow movie? So, that means a Hawkeye movie, right? Wait, WTF?! ANT MAN?! DIE!!!" Or maybe just me...

No, i think that's a pretty accurate recall of what happened, lol.

Oh wait, sorry, replied above before I saw this :) Yeah, it's hate on the Ant Man film *grins*.

I don't mean to hate on anyone, I just don't see the point in having an Ant Man film before we've had a Hawkeye or a Black Widow film. We've got all these great characters that can played with, and they want to introduce another one in a film of there own? Why? :S I do dislike Ant Man and Reed Richards, but yeah, my hate is for the Ant Man film :)

Ooo, now that's a thought. And that would be a good way of catching people up when you have a big blockbuster film where some people might not have seen all the lead ups.

Yeah, same with you on the dislike versus hate.

Ant Man will likely be done partially as a 1960's era Tales to Astonish piece, with flashbacks and flashforwards between with Pym as the original and Lang as his sucessor, It isn't confirmed yet if the movie will fall in MCU continuity, but rumoured release date means it falls after A2's release date. Phase 3 for Marvel so far is only confirmed Ant Man and Doc Strange. But you have the possibility of Black Panther, Hulk, Heroes for Hire, Punisher, Daredevil (chance for a Black Widow cameo there), Blade, Vision, Fantastic Four and Runaways as potential rumoured Marvel vehicles that may be developed moving forward.

After Avengers 2? Hmm, interesting. Hopefully Ant Man will mean Janet - more ladies in the mix would be nice :) Black Panther, yes please, and I keep meaning to read Runaways, have to add that to the to-read list. See, Daredevil and a Winter Solider film might mean space for Natasha to play, but I'd love for her to have her own film to play in. Ah well.

I would prefer the earlier version of Serenity. That incident we do not speak of is pointless and wasteful, and nothing can convince me that there was anything to it but shock value.

Yeah, eight years later, and I'm still mad.

Also, unpopular opinion, but killing Darcy off wouldn't bother me. And nobody stays dead in the comics but Uncle Ben. :)

I'll link you to this script then :) The incident of which we do not speak hurt...but the fact that Joss made it hurt? Good writing. And it did ramp up the tension for me *shrugs*. (I make people new to Firefly watch all of the show before the BDM, because they get the most that way, but also so that incident bites. Um, because I am mean.)

I think Joss could make me care about anyone kicking the bucket, heh.

Sorry, nope, that development felt schlocky to me, and always will. Caring about a character is good and all, and their death hurting is good writing, but that death always goes for shock value for me over storytelling. :)

Fair enough :) I had high hopes for Float Out after, but nope *sigh* naff comic.

Well partially because, yes, Thanos is pretty much the badass of the Marvel universe. If someone doesn't die facing him, then he isn't the Big Bad of the necessary proportions for a sequel and it marginalizes the threat and the emotional investment of the audience. Does it have to be one of the core members, No, not necessarily, but then again you marginalize the emotional impact on the audience if it is someone like Falcon or War Machine.Although you could do it and just have Tony or Steve destroyed emotionally by the death of their best buddy, but would the audience feel that when most people don't see the relationships outside the core as important? Also you have to look at it from a contract stand point, most of the actors aren't signed up past Avengers 2, a third Avengers movie is not guaranteed, and really if your going to go with pretty much the ultimate cosmic level threat in part two, you're not really saving anything for part three.

...which makes me wonder if they're gonna go with a new lineup in part three (based on your excellent comments below), if they get that far. B/c Thanos is such a big baddie, it's going to be hard to top for that group. So maybe it's big finale for them and then Marvel starts over. Might not be a bad game plan.

Besides, the third parts of trilogies are always notoriously weak. Hard to keep the magic alive for the third go-round. ;)

If the image rights for X-Men(Wolverine and Jean specifically), Spiderman, Fantastic Four and Avengers were all owned by one studio, I could see moving forward with the big name stars for a giant two part A3 with some massive threat level scenario. Like the Dark Phoenix, World War Hulk, or something on that level but it probably be easier and cheaper (read:more profitable) to reboot so to speak with new heroes and stars. I'm surprised that they pulled out Thanos for the sequel and didn't go Hulk as the bad guy, and save the cosmic level stuff for later.

Me too. But I guess the math (contracts) didn't add up to banking on the same group of folks necessarily coming back for Phase 3.