19 April 2013 @ 07:00 pm
ATTF: Avengers and team interaction  
Heyy! I'm your host today for this Friday's round of All The Things! So, today we're going for ALL THE AVENGERS.

So obviously, we all love Clint and Natasha being badass and competent together; swanning all over the world and being awesome. But they are, of course, part of a larger organisation (SHIELD) and part of the Avengers to boot. So, how do they get on with all these different people? Do Clint and Tony enjoy annoying the hell out of everyone? Does Natasha find every second sentence out of Darcy’s mouth vaguely baffling? Let us know!

So! Today I want one of two things from you lovely people:

> Thoughts and headcanons on who Clint and Natasha would/n't get on with (Avengers and SHIELD) and why, and...
> Recs of stories showcasing the best of Clint and Natasha’s relationship with others (SHIELD or Avengers)!

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Clint:

OK so the first one here is Coulson. But then again, I’m not sure how much of this is just fan-influenced. (I mean how did it come to be decided that Clint was picked up by Coulson? Because that's a fanon staple now, much like Clint having been in the army.) So, other than Coulson, I see Clint getting on with Tony, after about two or three months of the two of them sniping at each other and hating each other and generally driving everyone else up the wall. In fact, those are mostly the reasons behind that. And this is a personal thing to me but I sort of think that Clint and Thor would get on like a house on fire – something to do with being a little loud and inappropriate and pissing around, but also being good and having shitty brothers and a hundred other little things. Just, there should be more fics of the two of them. ALSO I see him getting on with Betty. FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN I WANT BETTY IN ALL STORIES EVER. Also because Betty protected Bruce when no one else would, AND stood up to the Hulk. I reckon EVERYONE can respect that.

As to people he doesn't get on with... for some reason I see Jane baffling him, nothing mean just... I dunno why but I just do. And I go through phases of thinking he'd get on with Maria really well, and then thinking he'd not get on with her at all. And sometimes I think the same about Steve (and anyone with a position of authority over him) because I think he has authority issues. And in general I think it would take him a while to let others in because hello abandonment issues and (obviously) trust and loyalty issues after Loki (maybe just in his head, but there nonetheless).

Natasha:

Haha oh God. Sometimes I get so muddled about what I think about Natasha. Like, I absolutely love stories about her and Pepper being BBFs and terrifyingly competent and awesome. But then sometimes I also think, other than having vaguely self-destructive men in their lives (and of course, being terrifyingly competent) what else do they have in common? *shrugs* I do think, though, that once she gets over the whole Hulk thing, Bruce and Natasha would get on pretty well. I see them having a similar sense of humour from some reason. And then Steve, because everyone gets on with Steve. And if you don’t get on with Steve, Steve sure as hell gets on with you. Unless you’re Tony. Sometimes. :P And of course Maria, in a terrifyingly competent way. And they can talk shop and not have to worry about clearance levels and freaking the other out and they both know when to drop the subject.

As to people she doesn’t get on with so well… I see Tony frustrating her no end. And I see her finding some people difficult because they’re so normal sometimes, and she finds that a little difficult to… comprehend? Something. So like… Jane and Darcy.

But I’m not sure really. If I had a specific Clint or Natasha to drop into a narrative somewhere, then I’d know exactly who they’d get on with (or not) in that situation. But this is sort of… plucking relationships out of a fuzzy half-formed idea of Clint and Natasha made up of every Clint and Natasha I’ve ever read a story about. But that’s not really useful. So. Hopefully you all have some better formed headcanons than me! :P

And some Recs of Fabulousness (in my opinion)
(And if no one's noticed, I'm totally doing this because I NEED MORE TEAM FIC IN MY LIFE PEOPLE)

Aggie2011's Vantage Point Universe
[ ff.net | Clint/Natasha, Pepper/Tony | R | A LOT OF WORDS | 17 stories so far | warnings: sex and violence, basically; see each story for specific warnings ]
A universe revolving around Hawkeye/Clint Barton, from his circus origins, through the army, his year as a contract assassin, being picked up and working for SHIELD and eventually his time with the Avengers.

This is the universe I base a great deal of my Clint and Coulson interaction off (basically all the stories), and my Clint and Tony interaction (Trust). I also like Clint’s interactions with Bruce and Steve (Arrow Man) and with the whole team later on (Vantage Point onwards). No disrespect to the author, but I find her platonic relationships more believable than her romantic ones. However, if you like Clint and you like mission fics, here’s a good way of spending a whole bunch of hours. :D

Skies Over Manhattan by [livejournal.com profile] alphaflyer
[ AO3 | Clint/Natasha, Pepper/Tony, Thor/Jane | 32,000 | warnings: the aftermath of mind control ]
Two master assassins, a demi-god, a super soldier, a man with breath-taking anger management issues and a billionaire in a flying suit. They're supposed to be on the same team.

OK this is the story of fabulousness that I use for the bench mark of everyone’s interactions with everyone else. Ever. Because [livejournal.com profile] alphaflyer, the wonderful person she is, somehow wrote everyone exactly how I wanted them. Kudos to you!

Also because of this: She has learned over the years that Clint never gets drunk – too many shitty memories associated with that concept. But when he’s relaxed, his inner juvenile delinquent comes out and he likes to fuck with people’s serenity, just to see what they do. Can I have 100 stories about exactly this please?

Fine by Sinkme
[ ff.net | gen | 570 | warnings: none ]
With six messed up superheroes living together, there's no way they all adjusted well.

Just… lovely. *pets all the messed up superheroes*

Recovery by Sinkme
[ ff.net | gen | PG-13 | 2,100 | warnings: none ]
Surprisingly, it was Maria Hill who pushed Clint firmly on the path to recovery.

I just love the concept, and I love this Maria and this Clint and this story. OK?

10 Things Pepper Knows About Natasha (And One Thing Natasha Knows About Pepper) by okayophelia
[ tumblr | gen | PG-13 | 1,200 | warnings: none ]
Pepper realizes this when, instead of meeting up for a dry martini in a high-class establishment, as is Pepper’s natural preference, or drinking straight vodka in an illegal Russian gambling hole, like Natasha wants to, they compromise and drink straight vodka in an illegal Russian gambling hole.

Everything about this is glorious.

Give A Girl A Moment And She'll Take You For All You've Got by tielan
[ AO3 | gen | R | 7,200 | warnings: violence ]
Coulson had once made the observation that Darcy Lewis’ ability to beg, bribe, or bully people into her plans was almost a superpower in and of itself. Considering she was walking down a tattered Tribeca street with four women she either barely knew or didn’t socialise with for drinks on a Friday night, Maria could well believe it.

ALL THE GIRLS (minus Betty, sad times) KICKING BUTT AND TAKING NAMES. WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT?

Comfort and Joy by [livejournal.com profile] always_a_queen
[ LJ | Clint/Natasha, Thor/Jane, Pepper/Tony | PG-13 | 5,100 | warnings:
The Avengers celebrate Christmas and everyone gives Natasha unwarranted advice about her love life.

Each person’s differing advice to Natasha, and how they give that advice, is fantastic.

The Sky and Everything Beneath It by jibrailis
[ AO3 | gen | PG-13 | 7,100 | warnings: angst ]
Steve goes on a road trip to clear his head, but the other Avengers won't leave him alone.

OK so this is mostly about Steve to be honest. But then everyone else turns up and it’s just… lovely. And the last couple of lines still make me cry.

Fifteen Short Stories About Teamwork by BlackEyedGirl
[ AO3 | gen | PG-13 | 6,000 | warnings: violence ]
They’ve made a start. There’s still a lot to learn about each other.

Aah just… Natasha and everyone and Clint and everyone and everyone and everyone. I suck at this reccing business, don’t I? Huh.

As an aside, does anyone know of an Avengers genfic comm? Pretty please?
 
 
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[identity profile] frea-o.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 06:48 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the recs! Give a Girl a Moment... apparently has a sequel coming someday, and I'm drooling even thinking of all of the possibilities. That fic launched my love for Steve/Maria stories. There are a bunch here I haven't read, so this is going to be awesome!
franztastisch: regina[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 07:38 pm (UTC)
:D You're welcome! A sequel for Give A Girl a Moment would be FANTASTIC. And even more so if it included Betty. :P
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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_samalander/ on April 19th, 2013 08:16 pm (UTC)
A few links:
To be Modified as Necessary (http://archiveofourown.org/works/415792)
(teen, no warnings)
They only need ten rules to ensure (relatively) peaceful cohabitation.
It's just perfect. There is science and trouble and batman and if you haven't read it already, RUN DO NOT WALK.

Culture and Other Balls of Twine (http://archiveofourown.org/works/442795/chapters/756590)
(G, no warnings)
“Okay, I realize this could appear to be poorly conceived - to those of limited vision - but what you have to understand is, I’ve actually just had the greatest, most outstanding idea ever.” Tony’s eyes searched heavenward and then he nodded soberly. “Yes, I believe history will consider this my triumph.”
Tony decides the Avengers need a road trip. Well, he decides that he and Bruce do, the others just happen to show up. Wonderful team moments, and one of my all-time favorite Steve characterizations.

Five Times An Avenger Accidentally Woke Natasha Up (http://archiveofourown.org/works/531885)
(g, no warnings)
At the best of times, Natasha isn't a heavy sleeper. At the Tower, it seems she can barely get through a night.
One of the most interesting Natasha characterizations I've seen in a long time; a really kind Natasha, who seems to enjoy being around her team, even if they are loud oafs.


I dearly love writing team!fic; probably even more than shippy fic, because I love exploring relationships. I think Natasha and Steve get on really well and no one knows why (she loves a soldier, he loves a fighter, and they both know what it's like to be used by your government and if you follow my deepest headcanon, they were both on ice for a long time) and Clint has a shockingly close relationship with Pepper, because she is a weird combination of mom and sister to him that he desperately needs (like President Bartlett and Mrs. Landingham) and she likes that, unlike Tony, Clint will occasionally talk about his feelings.

It takes Natasha a long time to warm up to Bruce, but Clint likes him almost immediately, because Bruce doesn't have any qualms about accepting what Clint did in the movie - he knows what it is to be in someone else's control.

They both pretend to hate Tony, but it's a sibling kind of hate, and they would defend him to the death. "He might be an asshole, but he's OUR asshole."

They love Thor, because he sees them as legitimate threats and spends a long time training with them so that they could take him out if they needed to. Natasha loves having someone to kick her ass, Clint likes that Thor can catch arrows out of the air, just like Loki can. Clint spends hours throwing things at Thor to see if he'll catch them. (Usually he does, one time they have to go to the hospital to get Thor some stitches, and after that Clint is only allowed to throw soft things.)

Neither one of them trusts Fury, but they both respect him and expect that, whatever his reasons are, they're more likely to be good than evil.


AND THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS
franztastisch: epic[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 08:37 pm (UTC)
AAAAAAAH YOUR HEADCANONS ARE AWESOME. I love love love Pepper, and the idea of her and Clint getting on makes me SUPER HAPPY. I remember once going looking for Clint&Pepper stories. Or Clint/Pepper, or anything really. The ones I did find either involved Phil sexually which... I just can't. (I'd like to be able to because I'd be able to read SO MANY MORE GOOD CLINT STORIES but I literally cannot with that pairing. :/) or I didn't like much. BUT I LOVE PEPPER so.. aaah! Everything about that is awesome. I want to hug you for this. :D :D

And YES that is exactly the kind of relationship I see both of them having with both Tony and Fury. Because I really don't think Fury is a bad person, but you sure as hell don't get to spearheading a secret branch of the military by being good and nice and morally sound all the time.

Oh God, the more I think about it, the more I want that Pepper and Clint fic. Though I'm pinning that on you cos there's no way I could do that justice. :P

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ext_2027[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 08:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, tracking this post in the hope I'll find some new material. I'm in the middle of a huge pile of work at the moment, but maybe later there'll be time to bring over a few recs...

I don't know of any genfic comm. Wait, no, I think there's avengersgen, but it's not very active.
franztastisch: bench[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC)
[livejournal.com profile] avengersgen looks like a... prompt comm? Or a gen version of a kink meme? I'm not sure. But thanks, I'll check it out. :) And hopefully we can find you some new fics here!
[identity profile] heartequals.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 09:10 pm (UTC)
Comfort and Joy just wrecked me and it's April ffs. What a fic!

I made [livejournal.com profile] one_kitchen early on to house gen fic but it...never really took off. Because I didn't put enough efforts into it. /cries If you wanted to help me reboot it though, I'd be all ears! This fandom DEFINITELY needs a genfic comm. (Unless someone else made one? That would be awesome.)
franztastisch: regina[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 09:20 pm (UTC)
Ooh, if noting else comes up/you want to reboot it regardless, I will totally help out, though I have never modded a comm ever. So you know, baby steps. :P

(ALSO LJ I NEED COMMENT NOTIFICATIONS PLEASE)
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[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
I would definitely contribute to and hang about a gen comm.
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[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 09:40 pm (UTC)
I'm not a big fan of team fic where they all move into Stark Tower unless it's crack fic. I don't see why a group of adults who hardly know each other would be willing to do that.

Heh, I'm probably alone in that I don't think either Clint or Natasha has a big connection to Coulson. :P Clint likes Coulson because he thinks Coulson is a good commanding officer, but that's the only connection they have (because I didn't get a vibe beyond 'commanding officer and snarky field agent' in Thor). In my headcanon Clint has a strike team who he's been working with for years and they go for beers after work, but he doesn't have what could be considered close friends.

As for Natasha, I think she and Maria are friends. Maria is up front with people to the point of being blunt, and I think Natasha would find that refreshing in a world of spies. As for Coulson, I once wrote in a fic that "Natasha couldn't bring herself to trust someone who offered sweets with one hand and issued kill orders with the other," and that's my headcanon for them.

I'll have to think more about my headcanon for how Clint and Natasha would get along with the other Avengers.
franztastisch: winchester[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
I think that Bruce basically lives in Stark Tower for a lack of anywhere else to go. I think Steve and Clint and Natasha all have their own places, but they go to Stark Tower when an op went wrong and they need to be arond people, or when Pepper invites them for dinner. Or for other things like that. They don't live there, but they go there sometimes to be around other people that aren't SHIELD but who they don't ahve to pretend with.

(because I didn't get a vibe beyond 'commanding officer and snarky field agent' in Thor) Hell yes.

I like the idea of Clint having a strike team. How does Natasha fit in with this?

As to Natasha... I can see both those. I mean, I still like the idea of Clint and Natasha and Coulson being awesome friends and all, but I can totally see that. It's a very valid point.
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 10:40 pm (UTC)
I'm not a big fan of team fic where they all move into Stark Tower unless it's crack fic. I don't see why a group of adults who hardly know each other would be willing to do that.

Yes, yes, YES. My theory is that the idea that dormstyle living is attractive can come only from people for whom it is a first escape from parents, not from sentient adults who like a spot of privacy now and then.

As for Natasha and Maria -- hmmm... Maria has a supercilious side to her (the way she reacts to Fury's orders about Phase 2; the fact that she rats Clint's possession out to the Council "was that not protocol???" in the deleted scene) that I don't think Natasha would find attractive. My head canon certainly has Clint reacting very badly to the "so the carnie is thinking now??" side I see her having.

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inkvoices: avengers:assassins hug[personal profile] inkvoices on April 23rd, 2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to chip in on I don't see why a group of adults who hardly know each other would be willing to do that :) because I really enjoy it when they all move in together in the Tower or mansion, but I'd been preferring the Tower and you've made me realise why. Because in the fics where they all move into the mansion it's a set-up where often they have their own bedrooms, but then live together as in shared kitchen, living room etc. Wereas in the Tower it ranges from them having their own space and gradually spending time in shared space together, to each of them having their own floor/apartment, so it's not so much living together as like living in the same block of flats, being neighbours. And as a group of adults, yeah, that sits better with me.

Then I had thinky thoughts about the 'reason' which is often that they should live together for responding to crisis' etc. I'm actually happy with other reasons (Bruce is friends with Tony and has no where else to go, Steve finds he prefers the company, Tony doesn't charge rent and the space is damn nice, whatever) but on this parcular reason...and in Hawkeye Fraction has Clint with his own space but visiting/showing up at the mansion... what if it was just having a base of operations? As in somewhere they could decompress after missions or be on hand at busy times, get sleep, kind of like SHIELD barracks? Or a fire station?

Anyhow, yep, you made me have thinky thoughts and triggered a new perspective think so :D
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[identity profile] hufflepuffsneak.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 10:08 pm (UTC)
Loving all the headcanon and fic recs so far (in fact the only fics I can think to rec at the moment have already happened, curses!).

I love Natasha & Steve and Natasha & Thor friendship fics. I can see her getting along so well with them. For Clint, we didn't really see enough of him so I'm less clear on my headcanon for movieverse. I think he and Steve would get along well, and he'd have a surprisingly close bond with Bruce (because of the reasons mentioned above, knowing what it's like to have something control your body).

My deepest held headcanon at the moment is that Natasha has much more of a bond with Fury than with Coulson. Nat and Fury bond over being occasionally amoral spies, and he sees her as almost a daughter.
[identity profile] frea-o.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 10:11 pm (UTC)
He is all proud of her during that scene in IM2. I mean, she practically preens. It's freaking adorable in a "holy crap, both of these people can kill me with a pinkie finger" sort of way.

I like that headcanon about Natasha and Fury. It's affecting this scene I'm working on right now (tentatively called "The Unexpected Struggles, Lack of Sleep, and Fishy Smell Joys of Parenthood").
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franztastisch: bench[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
The idea of Fury and Natasha having a parent/child relationship is vaguely terrifying to me. :P But he is super proud of her in IM2. And I can see them sharing a love of very dry humour and treatening people. :P

eta: ffs lj.

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[identity profile] anuna-81.livejournal.com on April 20th, 2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
YES to Natasha and Fury headcanon, because that scene in IM2 where he's all proud of her? :DDDDD
[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 10:52 pm (UTC)
You can probably see me blush all the way from the UK. THANK YOU for that rec, and for those incredibly kind words. I am ... well, not speechless, since I can still write, but touched. :-)

What a great thread. I love team fic, especially when it comes with a story attached. Not so much when it is of the everyone-lives-in-the-tower-and-has-movie-nights variety, although those can be fun for a fluff break (even if I have to suspend my disbelief sky high that people like Clint and Natasha would find that attractive).

One of my fave team fics is by pollyrepeat and jonesandashes, Well, let the drum beat drop (http://archiveofourown.org/works/404165) It's by turn hilarious and thoughtful, and has the added bonus of being one of the stories that drew me into the fandom.

And now pardon me while I cruise the other recs, some of which I haven't seen (probably because I tend to search for Clint/Natasha stories not gen ones ...). I will NOT get any writing done tonight! :-)
franztastisch: verb nouns![personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 11:04 pm (UTC)
I can see the rosey glow from my window! :P

But in all seriousness, you are very welcome. To be completely honest, I want you to write all the things, because you and I seem to have very similar ideas about these people when it comes to the type of stories you write. And I read somewhere that you work in... conflict resolution or peace studies or international relations or something? Well, whatever it is, you can tell and it makes everything more realistic and wonderful and thank you for these stories and I love you. [/random fangirling]

WELL, LET THE DRUM BEAT DROP IS FANTASTIC AND AMAZING AND I LOVE IT. ♥ I totally agree with you there

Gen stories are really hard to search/find. I think we should all take [livejournal.com profile] heartequals up on her offer to resurrect [livejournal.com profile] one_kitchen and then we can find ALL THE GENFIC.

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franztastisch: regina[personal profile] franztastisch on April 19th, 2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
Ha. I was thinking of a completely different fic to Well, Let The Drum Beat Drop. However. My comments still stands. Though maybe without the capslock. :P
[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2013 11:53 pm (UTC)
I have recs! Two fics by Domenika Marzione (http://archiveofourown.org/users/domarzione/pseuds/Domenika%20Marzione) that I think fit well with the team theme here:

Freezer Burn (http://archiveofourown.org/works/457359)
Summary: The adventures of Steve Rogers, defrosted soldier, who is missing time but not really all that lost. He’s got a surprisingly broad knowledge of lettuces, a working grasp of modern technology, and may or may not be using both to mess with his teammates and save the world.
This is a Steve POV fic, so a lot of it is about Steve, but it's a very well integrated team fic as well, and I especially enjoyed Natasha and Steve's interactions. Gen action/adventure, very long plotty fic :)

BOHICA (http://archiveofourown.org/works/711557)
Summary: Clint Barton, in transition.
A really neat Clint backstory with great Clint and Natasha interactions.

[identity profile] alphaflyer.livejournal.com on April 20th, 2013 03:59 am (UTC)
Thanks for this -- just read BOHICA and yes, her Clint is my Clint. From the snark right to where he fits into the bureaucracy (or not), my only regret about that story is that I didn't write it.
franztastisch: j2[personal profile] franztastisch on April 20th, 2013 11:57 am (UTC)
Ooh these both look awesome. :D Thank you!
[identity profile] metanewsmods.livejournal.com on April 23rd, 2013 11:39 pm (UTC)
This is fantastic! May we link at [livejournal.com profile] metanews?
franztastisch: j2[personal profile] franztastisch on April 24th, 2013 04:20 pm (UTC)
I don't see why not, but I'd contact one of the mods just to make sure. :)